(Initially I got there working in their printing press.
So many people attend but refuse to contribute. I have all my life experienced this deep hurt and betrayal from the church, first as a pastor’s kid watching my beloved daddy and mother suffer it over and over again and for the past 40+ years of going through it myself. That pursuit of really pouring into God should be number one in your life, that relationship with Him. But even now I don’t go to church and don’t intend to again on a regular basis and I believe this is my defense for making sure I am not asked again to do what I know I don’t want to because if I was asked then I would probably do it, foolishly. Thanks for bringing this up. The two quotes are from The Holiness of God by R C Sproul. For this we Christians can only empathize and try to listen to what the meaning is behind the actions and somehow love. I was a leader in my old church and I left because I got remarried and my wife now did not feel comfortable coming to my church while my ex-wife is still a member. Church is a refuge for broken hearts and a training ground for mighty warriors. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. They just vanished. Thanks for sharing this Gary. I pray for the day churches reflect the heart and ethics of Jesus…and in whatever small way I can, am working toward that day in this space and in my local church.
..although the process hurts…its heart shattering to realize that your identity is so heavily related to what you do..and not who you are in Christ..my heart continues to ache for those currently in this situation & yet dont know it!! While we spoke, I was Googling her church. What I am having a hard time with is the spending that is going to worship services and expensive equipment and less to ministering to the needed. I am sorry we continue to wound others in the name of the Church. These Millions of People that don’t have any idea what the church is – could care less.
Sunday mornings @ 11am & Evenings @ 7pm. I noticed immediately that even though I know I was a follower of Jesus who had been personally and powerfully changed into a completely new creature, many of the leadership structure and prominent faces could not relate to me at any level. Part of that was #5. Isn’t it more biblical to live life at a family table and learn from and with people where they are at? Very insightful article. If I would have understood early on that walking away doesn’t mean you don’t love, I could have saved myself from a lot of heartache and saved myself time. 'Her View From Home' is the Registered Trademark of Her View From Home, LLC. Used and abused by the church to do the grass roots heavy lifting while they took my ideas and fed them to someone else backing that person with all the resources, people, and mentorship, then turned around and asked me to shovel more crap. Was it your blood that washed away your sin? Thus is a huge find. Thankfully, we both desire a church that holds the Bible as its teaching, is crazy-intentional about prayerfulness and discipleship, that doesn’t want to be the biggest, baddest church, but solely seeks to be the church God is calling them to be. Arianna is the wife of a rugged man and a mom of three little princesses. I’ll remember, He has never failed to meet me there. Thanks Carey Nieuwhof, I really couldn’t be less interested in what you’re selling tho. Church is the people, people… where 2 or more are gathered in His name (authentically, not out of fear of rejection from the cult) IT DOES NOT NEED TO BE an “at” or a “where” but a “with whom” and there need not be a preacher, or a band, or communion or any other sacrament- aka there need not be a golden calf in the room- simply people loving and serving one another in light of the gospel and allowing that to spill out into the streets.
We have the same problem in the local Greek Orthodox church in Minneapolis and on the diocese level. Admittedly, it isn’t the same as it was before but I intend to worship there until my time on earth is through. Take care. We feel displaced but not discarded and fully expect to serve and function in our calling once we come through this season. I understand your concern. If the church didn’t fire me, the other people would be mad. When I read articles like this, I see that much of the responsibility for this conundrum is placed squarely on the former pastor, staff, volunteer; but where is the responsibility of the church to engage people in ways to create a welcome place for those who may be weary or just retired, I have remarked that we have arrived at the time of the self-serve church and many people fall through the cracks because they just don’t understand that if you don’t make the effort to connect yourself, you may drive away disillusioned. I didnt and still don’t see that anywhere in the life of Christ. I’ve tried to pastor since then and have just found that church leaders are either too busy trying to keep the wheels from falling off the bus, don’t appear to like my personality for whatever reason, see me as a great free resource but not worthy of the real pastoral work, or they are just too checked out to appear to care at all. We feel like outcasts tossed aside. The pastor asked me create a new website. The pastor even told a lady who had been homeless and was trying to get disability, that she owed in back tithes. That’s not my issue. Mike. I know I grew bitter trying to move a church that didn’t want to move. Will find somewhere else I can. ", 10 Leadership Lessons From Mary (the Mother of Jesus), A Crisis Is Not an Opportunity for the Church, It’s a Responsibility, A Tale of Two Pandemics (And Being Compassionate About Both), God Does His Greatest Work Through Simple Acts of Obedience. know you might be having a hard time but please have faith in God.
Please seek God’s word for the truth, and lean not to your own understanding! These ties are stronger to break away from than you think, so we passively attend and continuously pray that the Lord will give our church a spiritual transformation.
Ageism positionism and division have become the norm; it is said that it is good to have a divers church and yet young and old are not encouraged to work and complement each other. And I hate it all so much, did I think to myself that how can I go to heaven I want this in my heart. I found myself in churches where I am the only black person. A couple (who are leaders) also lived together because ‘our pastors are doing it’. None of these things means there is something wrong with the jeans, the book, or the song. Look for Jesus to heal you on that path and remember you are not walking in unfamiliar territory alone.
Plus everything else it seems. I know the needed change and renewal Will begin with admitting and confessing to the thing/sin that has hindered me. We’d love to go straight to doxology but there’s no shortcut past the valley of humiliation. I find that many pastors are starting Bible studies in their homes for those who really want the word preached and taught. So even on the hard days at church— The days when I am at odds with a sister. When 2019 arrived they Music Director stopped using me to sing solo’s. Sometimes a person has done all he can do in dealing with so-called believers who never seem to learn or practice anything the Bible teaches, and one should realize that disobedient Christians have made their own bad choices. I wish I could have a better and deeper understanding why this is happening.
It’s about controlling, agenda based businesses that call themselves churches. Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. The why is always there. But also realize that no church is perfect. Now you have a heart for those people. Love sees who you really are and stays anyway. Church is hard for the wife who longs to be led by a righteous man. Nope I am most certainly not ‘good’ nor ‘precious’ in any way but his teachings were wrong. They sent the person to apologise to me but I refused to accept the apology and I demanded that they make the apology on the same pulpit they humiliated me through. After untruths were told about me and rumors spread. This comment is not helpful to the people on this thread nor does it provide any great insight to the issue being discussed other than revealing that you are part of the problem.
We took a couple of months off from going to church, which I wasn’t hot in the idea, but respected my wife’s emotions. We are encouraging people to try 5 local churches these days.
I am in your same position now as well. Summary: More awe in church services = less boredom in church = less people leave church. Unfortunately, finding a church takes time. You might change your mind about all tv preachers being boring. If a similar story had shaken you off from believing God’s word is faultless then thats a good way to cling to Jesus more and prove that His words are far more real and truthful than others who try to debunk Him and His words. I struggled with the worship in that church for over 10 years. Most churches around me are just a “bless me” club and it makes me sick. Sometime gifts are not made public. I ran everything, lol!
Churches, as is the world, are full of people who think they know better, know everything, are insulting, and just plain insidious. This is perhaps the healthiest response I’ve seen around this issue. with the whole thing. Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. To leave. Hurt, unresolved, breeds cynicism. It was never designed to be a business to start. Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. I believe it may have been God’s means of getting my attention at the time. ..and before someone says Christianity isn’t supposed to be safe…I am recovering from heart failure, and all my travelling to find another church had to stop. The rescheduled interviews. Believe it or not, I hope you and your husband’s situation gets better. Everything I’m writing about in this post, I have felt. I believe my involvement says more about the faithfulness of the God I serve, than it does about whether or not I am there. That’s a temptation, but one I must fight. Could it be that you’ve grown accustomed to being the center of attention, no matter how small your audience might be? There used to be informative sharing, church being informed and discussed with and generally freedom in ministry given. God Bless! Finding a church should begin with prayer and reliance upon God. I breathed leadership. NO room for error, no room for slipping up and sinning (not that I wanted to), because if you did the judgement and public humiliation was so bad, you’d rather just keep what you’re going through to yourself. After much prayer and reflection I returned to continue to serve as a volunteer and to worship. So I am looking for a new church home in my neighborhood. Sometimes we don’t attend church because we have been beaten and crucified. The church went looking a while for a pastor, then the unity pastor entered the search from finder to candidate and so returned. My friend said, but but you only lose 100% of the chances you don’t take. I do however feel like pastors that have a committed staff need to at least acknowledge their leadership on Sundays just as much as they do the members of the church.
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