I dont know you personally, so Id like to believe that it is not your intention to be condescending, so Id like to make you aware that there could be another, more loving way of asking about why someone has chosen a particular resource for guidance.and to acknowledge that while the teaching may not be perfect, that they have obviously gained something positive from it. The couple also run a network of churches in Europe, as well as Propel Women, a ministry that aims to equip women to fulfil their God-given purpose. I feel like its almost life and death in this hour. And is that true? 2:1) Ex-lesbian Jackie Hill Perry recently rebuked Christians who were angry that she spoke on stage at Christine Caine's Propel Women conference and called Bethel Music's Jenn Johnson her friend. 107 quotes from Christine Caine: 'Sometimes when you're in a dark place you think you've been buried, but you've actually been planted.', 'God is able to take the mess of our past and turn it into a message. You seem to be very confident that your approach is Biblical, and in the end, that is what really matters. 32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me: 33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee? All of us are prone to drifting if we do not stay connected to Jesus, who is this hope we have as an anchor for our soul.. Colombes. He simply did not yet know the full apostolic message. Kenyons principal disciple was Kenneth Hagin Sr., the recognized father of the Word of Faith movement. Elizabeth Prata of The End Times lays out six reasons why Caine must be avoided like the plague. While I am not an avid follower of Caine, Meyer or Beth Moore, the times I have seen them, their husbands were in the audience (and their travel schedules referenced). (I mean, isnt that the point?) Jakes conferences, Joel Osteen conferences, Bethel conferences, at Perry Nobles church, Robert Morris church and conferences, Rick Warrens church, and Steven Furticks church and conferences (all to co-ed audiences) just to name a few. Published in Testimony. Stay in the word; get yourself around people that are going to believe in you and speak life to you. Hearsay? I believe you have keyboard courage. We went to church and developed our faith based on our trust in God, which often meant trusting people who failed us. Her vision is to help people overcome the obstacles, hurdles and challenges of life and maximize their God-given potential and purpose. I read the title and I thought WHAT! 13 And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray. If you cannot or will not refute those who contradict then you should not be a pastor. Occult Sorcery Over the years I've had to fight to renew my mind to a place where I understand at the core of my being that Jesus is trustworthy. I felt many emotions and very vulnerable, but I could also feel God's presence with me in a palpable way. She was approached by a woman citing Timothy, and that she was in the wrong and my daughter said, Well I have a hard time believing that Jesus would disallow my entrance into heaven for dedicating my life to HIS word and for bring people to HIM. Seriously wake up you people who instead of spewing hatred for people, love and let JESUS make the judgements. What I went through in 2016-2017, I think God was preparing me for what everyone else was going to go through in 2020. I need to follow the scripture, which means to start off with lovingly going to them one-on-one, then taking a witness, and then taking it before the church. She said its on ongoing process to stay emotionally strong. Calling out a false teacher? Relational challenges, staff challenges, the whole world shifting and it was like: Chris, do you want to keep your foot on the gas? I could cruise Ive got so much momentum from 30-odd years of serving Jesus. God uses different people to reach the lost because every lost person is different. It was very difficult for my family in the early days to cope with. Every time we put a trafficker in jail, I feel like Joseph in Genesis 50:20, who says to his brothers: You meant this for evil against me, but God meant it for this very purpose. The greatest thing I can do is bear much fruit. I used to come on sites like this and tear down women like Joyce Meyer and Christine Caine, much like you do. they are still teaching the gospel and people are coming to Christ. He is this hope that we have; nothing else is going to do it. Id like to know.. If you have won souls to Christ this way, or have gotten any of the people you attack to repent, then AMEN. Toll Free: 1-877-247-2426. A word of advice to those erroneously holding unto these beliefs, read your Bibles, put down your favorite idol for a second and read what Jesus said about: False teachers, false brethren, faulty theology, and the biggest of them all the coming judgement on these purveyors of lies and on the whole world itself. 2022 by Berean Research. Christ and Paul confronted people DIRECTLY. Weve never sat down and had this big discussion like: You are the man and I am the woman, so I have to wash dishes and underwear and that makes me somehow more biblical whatever that means. Now, arent you judging by referring to others here as Pharisees? My life was as far away from God at that point as you could imagine [but] I went into this seminar, and this dude speaks the gospel in a way that was just so profound to me. This is so dumb. Second of all, I came to realize that coming on sites like this and calling people names, publicly questioning if they even know the LordWHEN I HAVE NEVER MET THEMis NOT in the spirit of Matthew 18. Is it helping these teachers repent? Besides usurping the pastor role, her teachings are not biblical. BTW.I love the fact that not only yourself, but many women on here reply by teaching which word she supposedly is teaching wrong. CT's weekly newsletter highlighting the voices of women writers. And that brings us to our second point. When you make comments like, Really, you need to figure that out from false teachers?, what do you hope to gain from it? But again, I think there is another way to inquire about someones search than to ask such condescending questions. Lets get people into the boat and stop fighting amongst one another. The Holy Spirit is in all of us and Big enough to show you truth. 2Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and encourage with every form of patient instruction. 7:8 & 28), in order to devote whole-hearted service to God without distraction or obligation of the family. What scriptures did you use? People are afraid of what they do not understand. God can make anything come toppling down. In both texts, Paul hands someone over to Satan. This field is for validation purposes and should be left unchanged. The word avoid is from (ekklino) which means, to turn away from, to turn aside, turning away from those who cause offences and occasions of stumbling, turning away from division makers and errorists. It seems that we are enjoined to keep out of their way and not fall in with them. We read that stuff, but I dont know if we really believe it. It is this which gives them away. ~ Christine Caine. To my family, when I chose to put Christ first, I was turning my back on everything: on tradition, on culture, on them. I went from feeling as a nobody (given I am a single woman who lives in a different state from my father and brotherswe know what the traditional church thinks of women like me) to understanding that Christ saved me for a reason. Wolves are loners. You live all of your life with the utmost transparency including your family life. Hear our latest radio programs including GPS, Hour of Decision Online, and Billy Graham Minute. Seems to me that a dozen apostles brought the message to millions. SO MANY THINGS WE CALL BIBLICAL ARE JUST CULTURAL, For those that have not come across you before, tell us a little about yourself. ~ Christine Caine. Pray for wisdom and for Jesus to control your anger. I thank God for all of the women who followed the call of God and took up their crosses, facing so much opposition in the process. 31 So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done. They are not rightly preaching the word, along with a long list of other prosperity teachers. We are commanded to come out from her. As we came closer to the time of Christ, mankind in its rebellious teenage years, we had the lessons of the prophets. As a minister myself, I cannot tell you how often the Lord has rebuked me after something I preached, we dont see the side of the preachers personal walk with the Lord who believe me will deal with whatever we speak. The dont judge paradigm doesnt apply when someone calls themselves Christian, usurps Gods word, and wants to play pastor. There is an honesty about Christine Caine that is rare in high-profile leaders. What Im reading are a whole bunch of prideful Im SO right and they are SO wrong! posts that arent helping anyone but perhaps the ego of the posters. This silly arguement is what pro-female pastors (Christine Caine, Joyce Meyer, etc.) We say things like: God will use the foolish things of the world to confound the wise, (1 Corinthians 1:27) and then when he does, we dont like it.My goal isnt to be a career Christian. So youre assuming I never emailed none of the people over the years? Its a Hollywood script! Chris Rosebrough Reviews Christine Caine at Passion 2015 Conference. Had I listened to the Pastor who told me Joyce Meyers ministry went against the word of God I may still be 300+pounds tens of thousands of dollars in debt and struggling to find my worth and value as a woman of God. I do not talk about ministries I have not had any sort of direct contact with. You said Ill call it straight to their face. My point is you HAVENT. by Christine Caine is available now, To hear the full interview listen to Premier Christian Radio at 8pm on 3 July or download The Profile podcast, The agnostic journalist Elle Hardy has been investigating how Pentecostalism is taking over the world. Marin, before you apply anything to your life from C. Caine perhaps you can use your discernment to see the wolf under the sheep costume. We cant save anyone, we present the unadulterated Gospels, we present Jesus as the only way to The Father, the only way to salvation. We need to be careful not to underestimate how important our response to correction is. Treating God as a Source of power and energy for the purpose of our bidding is no different than conjuring spirits from the dead. I Love Christine Caines sermons Not you or anyone else will stop me from listening to her .. HAVE a nice blessed day , Maybe this doesnt have anything to do with the subject I know is that Christine came convinced my girlfriend that her parents were going to die if she didnt give her money and she ended up giving her entire savings on top of that Christine Caine told my girlfriend that her parents also had to give money but her parents did not want to give money so she tried to steal it from them and then got caught after that she bore owed money to give to christines king and Im talking thousands of dollars this is what Christine Caine did to me And my girlfriend I didnt know anything about it until it was all done Meanwhile Im watching my girlfriend go through hell because she wants all this money to give to Christine Caine anyway she possibly can get it she has turned into a nut case and there doesnt seem to be anything I can do about it so here I am Making my comment. I imagine you would get a lot more done for the kingdom of you stopped pointing the finger at people and just started loving till it hurts. Woman can be used and will be used by God wether some like it or not. In numerous instances, the Bible commends believers to ostracize those who will not repent of their false teaching. Love is the most powerful thing on earth, I dont know why you waste your time gossiping and making assumptions up about people But its not my place to worry about that. 3:3). And to whom am I calling anything behind their back? You know the degree to which you're willing to embrace the pain of recovery is the degree to which your knee will heal. Being that Christine Caine is a product of Hillsong, look up a must-watch video from Brian Moonan called HELLSONG. LOL! If the message they are preaching are not the message of the True Gospel of Jesus Christ, they are not preaching truth and therefore are not bound by the rules for taking aside someone in the church. Talk about losing sight of what REALLY matters.. Eventually people who are following God will see that. When Christians call out false teachings, teachers and practices theyre doing what is commanded in scripture, or havent you read how you are to deal with those that say theyre teachers, but their not? As I stated before, in the end, we will all be held accountable for our words, and if you feel great that the Lord will congratulate you on your posts, then AMEN! They preach the word. 15It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. I think a lot of my past had really caught up with me, and so I was very sceptical about the love and the grace of God. It also applies to those Christians that we would be willing to extend the hand of fellowship to outside of our church. There was no big crisis of faith, she says, just a build-up of the pressures of life and the responsibilities that she carries. First of all to those defending Christine Caine, the bible Gods Word, makes it very clear -women are not to preach,so quit defending her,and attacking us warning others not to follow her for their own good, instead take it up with God and argue with Him if you dont want to listen to his commands and have issues with them, tell God he is wrong ,not us.Why dont you read His word instead of lazily listening to people who you obviously are unable to discern if they are leading you off of the path , its about Him not these false prophets. . I dont think I ever felt I could write it before now, because its the biggest thing that Ive had to struggle with throughout my whole life and my Christian life, she said. . When we as Christians criticize each other we in public settings we become a stumbling block for the lost and a weapon of the enemy.. Please show us where we have been prideful. The Lord had to show me, through his word, that by marrying Nick we would have a ten-fold impact. For all others, we must be clear about our rejection of their dangerous teaching. Sorry Michael, the Catholic faith bows down to Mary, the mother, youll hardly ever talk about JESUS, mary didnt hang on the cross 4 us, JESUS did, n when u speak of women shouldnt lead in churches, I believe thats in the old testament, not the Gospels, rock on Christine caine. One taps you on the shoulder when youre doing something wrong, the other tells you that you are, inherently, wrong. I am willing to bet you do NOT personally know the people you talk about on this site. Christine decided to allow God to begin the process of healing and restoration. What name have I called whom? Additionally, Christine has close relationships with Beth Moore and Priscilla Shirer, frequently sharing the stage or partnering with both. I will NOT throw out that message.. Everythings going to be awesome. And that is drifting so far from what New Testament discipleship really is. Priscilla and Aquila came alongside Apollos and explained to him the way of God more accurately (Acts 18:26). I didn't start 25 years ago with a global ministry. I was full of shame, guilt, anger, unforgiveness and bitterness. You can talk very big about what you WILL do, but what Im talking about is what you HAVE and HAVE NOT done. Yet for Scott, the negative impact of this event lingers. Pardon me, but I need to focus WAY more on that before someone else. All rights reserved. My birth certificate doesnt have a name on it. Outside of having a Bible on my desk, I hadnt done much more than ask for certain evenings off to go to midweek church services. Coordination with the international . But just as you assume others come on here just to defend their favorite teachers, I ask what do you come on here to do? Christine Caine Reveals She Had Cancer for Nearly Three Months; Says God Healed Her Body, Christian college asks Supreme Court to stop Biden's trans dorm directive, M.I.A. Joyce Meyer brought me closer to my walk with JESUS and my daughter is going into ministry to teach people about Jesus and HIS LOVE for his people! 5,107 posts. I am perfectly okay with agreeing to disagree. Keep seeking the Lord and His truth will be found by you. Dominionism (NAR) I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars . Worse, she enjoys teaching young women to step into leadership roles that scripture forbids and is unashamed to say so. However, I see the followers of this site not as such.. We need to get that place where we can rest in Christ and get our identity and value in Him and not in media or other people. And in the same way, if our body is broken before we pray the sinner's prayer, it's still broken the minute after we pray it. Many dont like that a woman has been brought to task for doing something she shouldnt be doing. IF YOU ARE PRAYING TO SAINTS, MARY, WELL THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT DEDICATED THEIR LIVES TO CHRIST, AS SHOULD WE, BUT NOT WORSHIP THEM. When mankind was childlike, before Christs presence in the world of Gods creation, we had the Old Testament and its teachings to guide us. Word of Faith Where does it say its ok to have others do the confronting for you? Victoria Osteen shares how God can use your past to bring greatness to the Kingdom. What shall we do if we see a sister following these false teachers? Manny, I dont want to jump too far into your conversation with someone else, but Id like to lovingly bring something to your attention. It sounds broad, but you think of the kid left in a hospital it would be just like God to take an unnamed, unwanted, abused, adopted girl and go: Im going to redeem all of those fragments of your broken past and put them together as a tapestry of my grace. Your past will do one of two things: either shame, guilt, regret, condemnation will cause you to shut down, or God can take those fragments and give someone a future. While I have a lot of Biblical knowledge (Ive been a Christian and serious student of the word for nearly 15 years), I was very convicted in how it had been a few years since I had won anyone to Christ. Esther was at that place and at that time fulfilling Gods purpose to save the Jews, neither Caine nor Meyers are here to save Gods people. 34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him. God is beyond amazing, yet Meyer and Caine trample His commandments. The most I have heard Christine Caine & Joyce Meyer teach on is forgiveness, healing process and how to move on in Jesus Christ. . Is there any significance attached to the fact that Aquila is not named first every time, but equally shares mention with his wife? It wont be the one warning marker but the thousands of them which will label a false teacher like a bad review on Amazon.com. Have the fruit of the Spirit in your marriage. When you are calling names, questioning the faith of, or making assumptions about a person, you ARE making it personal. Paul didnt want Timothy merely to triumph over the false teachers. WAKE UP PEOPLE, THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD, Mary, the disciples, the saints are examples for us to live by, HOWEVER, WE ARE NOT TO WORSHIP FALSE IDOLS OR PLACE ANYONE ABOVE HIM. She was so desperate to overcome the pain that Christine read every book she could on the subject, and even began . Is the author of this post aware of the prominence of women in Jesus ministry? People are NOT heretics and false teacher because they preach something we do not gree with. So heres the question we have to ask and answer anytime we are refuting error. Go take it to them personally. I will live my life by His example, by His word and how the Holy Spirit reveals the word to me, not by man/woman alone and definitely not by this article or ministries as such. I tried to tell somebody that could have intervened, but 40 years ago in Australia, the word abuse didn't even exist. I cannot be made up like I am for television for everything I do, or I will never have a life! she says. Oh what horror! CHRISTINE CAINE is a dynamic and passionate visionary whose powerful testimony of restoration impacts thousands of lives around the world each year. Instead of this kind of criticism, you should do as they do, pick a subject on your experiences, teach & encourage pole to walk in Jesus Christ. I have not met Ms Caine in person to have a conversation with her, so I will not breach scripture and start publicly questioning her faith or berating her ministry without giving her a chance to answer any questions and concerns I may have. I did grow to understand the writing style of scripture and understand why Lydia, Priscilla, and other women of the Bible were called out in specific order. Purpose Driven 12 How think ye? They took half of my thyroid; I won't need any more medication, and there is now no trace of cancer in my body. That's where it all started. Why, because God has called them to that profession. I wrote the last chapters during the first three months of lockdown. So thats why it comes across as if you just want to brag Im SO right, and they are SO wrong! Show me how anonymously talking about people behind their backs is the Biblical way of correcting or confronting. You seem to love uprooting absolutely EVERYTHING someone has learneddo you WANT to leave them with nothing? I genuinely thought this was a joke HAHAHA. I listen to Christine Caines messages and Ive never heard anything bad. 14And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. Maybe you should stop thinking in the us v. them scenario. Why cant you say hey, its great you are working on your evangelismhere are some better resources I recommend because of ___? There are soooo many books that have women leaders in them. Wow. God bless Christine Caine as well as Joyce Meyer and every Maria Magdalene out there! 40.2K followers. That's probably why I'm so intense, passionate, and serious about my faithbecause it wasn't a light decision. You think God could never really do anything with your life. A conversation about her marriage to pastor Francis Chan and their urban ministry in San Francisco. Listen in as Christine Caine joins Praise to speak about the true character of God. 4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven. I remember cleaning the toilets as well. Privacy It's the will to persevere even in the face of fear. Click here for instructions on how to enable JavaScript in your browser. He takes the trials and tests and turns them into a testimony."-- Christine Caine . I site that purposes to tear down people that are of the faith. It comes across as VERY condescending, haughty, and insulting, as if you are laughing at someone who is too stupid to go elsewhere. A religious liberty newsletter that is a must-read for people of faith. And the whole -you are tearing down His Kingdom bit just love till it hurts ,just love , love, love,anything and everything cuz its all about love is pure and utter b.s. You are not confronting directly, and you know it. So I am guessing you would rather the rocks preach instead of a woman of GOD? At one point, 24 years ago, holding a toilet brush, I laughed out loud and thought, Wow, this is not what I thought ministry would look like. Let God judge, not these people who protest about these awesome people bringing tons of people to Christ. The examples of Apollos and Peter show us that any one of us might be subject to imbibing and disseminating false teaching. Now lets flip that around and look at it from our perspective. Seriously? Worse, she enjoys teaching young women to step into leadership roles that scripture forbids and is unashamed to say so. You dont think theyve been approached?? I think this is a site for pharisees. Hagins principal disciple was Kenneth Copeland who, with his wife, Gloria, is the unofficial leader of the Word of Faith movement. Ive had non-Christians call out amazing observations about my character (both good and bad) and speak unbelievable truth into my life.I even grew to fall in love with the scripture through being challenged about the path to salvation by a cult member! The key word: DIRECTLY. I ask these questions in curiosity as Im truly baffled by the material I find here and all in the name of the same Christ that I follow.. Let's not forget that, Why revival must be tethered to Scripture, Revelation 9: The pit, the smoke and hideous demon creatures, Lessons from the old Jesus Revolution for the new Jesus Revolution, Age is a mindset: How mental outlook and actions impact an aging mind, How to handle any criticism thrown at you, 5 reasons why the disappearance of the offering plate is so significant for churches. I am hard pressed to think of a single Christian speaker or author who I agree with 100% of the time (based on my understanding of scripture), but I am discerning enough to know what to discard and when to take note of a truth they are speaking that I need to apply to my life. A cult? This is such a mess. She travels without her husband! Pluease! People like you? Please be specific. Nevertheless, even pastors in non-congregational churches must still rely upon the congregations cooperation for excommunication to work. New Age So many things we call biblical are just cultural. You are more careful not to offend humans than you are to offend God. He says that many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not abide in the teaching of Christ (2 John 7, 9). Many of the people you are tearing down are Gods people and are in the faith, running the race.. But Christine Caine is here to speak above that noise with the truth of how God sees you, and who he's created you to be, so you can make his name famous! He answered our prayers. A couple years after that, I ended up in a local church in Sydney, where I really started to grow as a disciple of Jesus.It shows you that there is a spirit realm to all this, which gives me great faith for the gospel around the world. Join thousands of others to get the FREEDOM POST newsletter for free, sent twice a week from The Christian Post. However, I see the followers of this site not as such. The shame and guilt of childhood sexual abuse hasnt stopped Christine Caine from sharing the love of Jesus with people across the world. So here I am! Waiting rooms are waiting for us.". He takes the trials and tests and turns them into a testimony.', and 'Nothing about my birth - or yours - was random or accidental. God made us equal. For Christine Caine, healing and strength has come from spending time reading the Bible and allowing it to sink in, as well as being part of an encouraging supportive community of friends and a local church. Homosexual Agenda Weve always been Jesus first, kingdom first. The congregation has a role in this, which brings us to our third point. His Greek Orthodox family live in poverty in Australia where they immigrated. Its not quantity its quality, in this case the everlasting Gospels, unadulterated and preached exegetically.. something that neither Meyer or Caine does. God bless you. Youre not speaking as a Christian should. Christine Caine partners with heretics, promotes them, and endorses them. When countless of videos, articles, books, and their own testimonies have proven and shown them to be the wolves that they are? Beth Moore regularly travels to speaking and teaching engagements without her husband, as well as these others. Heck, Christine taught me to get more diligent about making disciples and you found a way to completely trash that. Thank you, Amy, for cleaning up that mess. Incredible! My immediate family were great, it was just that they allowed people into our home, that they should have been able to trust, that were untrustworthy. Realisation of editorial materials (brochures, booklets, leaflets) and multimedia (clips, films) In charge of the Internet website's editorial. 3:5-9). If he is that kind of guy, then theres a real question about his fitness for ministry. They are not the true church. I sadly find some of this ridiculous. 4:00PM EDT 9/12/2014 Christine Caine. 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