Im wondering if I can just replace those bolts with new steel ones , my car is out of warranty and it has not develop any issues yet , but as precautionary measure I was wondering if this is possible? and as necessary This way I dont have to set up any timing if I do it one at the time. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ASE and BMW Master Certified Technician 09-28-2017, 07:33 PM #6 Ramos8553 Member Join Date Sep 2017 The only odd result is that the desired angles of 0 and 0.6 had actual angles that were off by ~8 degrees. I personally know of one person that had a total loss on their X1 engine in Saskatchewan back in 2016 before BMW Canada acknowledged a widespread issue with the timing chain on the N20. Was it coincidental and maybe the bits of trash in the both VANOS spool valves cleared at the exact same time? It is possible without the timing tools, but if you risk needing to re-time the engine if something moves. Coasting to a stop the engine suddenly died and would not restart. Id rather not pay more money. Nic. If I reach my finger in through oil filler cap with the engine off and cold, is it normal for there to be some slack in the timing chain on an N20? The actual angle also varied as in the previous test but on average was nearly equal to the desired angle. cover and expose some wires and by moving around stuff they was rubbing together and i had the battery connect at that time too.need some help please thank in advance, Ok,,,,you said you smell gas and black smoke out of the exhaust, and you have wiring harness damage to Dinan piggy back,,,I would think this is your problem the harness is damaged and can be causing your problem with the fuel injectors dumping to much fuel into the engine,,,you can remove the spark plugs and see if they are fuel soaked to verify this problem,,,,I dont know if you can remove the Dinan piggy back and put it back to stock.,,,I hope this helps, Update on my car was other human error wrong timing was locking the camshaft with lobs facing down, i correct it and veh stated up right away..THANKS for taking time to assess me. When I read the code through ISTA, these codes are. I did not receive this bulletin to my knowledge, maybe because I am the 2nd owner of the car as of February 2019(?). THNX. If a control module was working properly and/or had no related faults stored prior to vehicle Since this is two months beyond the window provided by BMW for the extended warranty, are the chances that my car will experience this timing chain guide failure highly unlikely? A forum community dedicated to BMW owners and enthusiasts. Did they use a different timing chain guide before 06/2012 ? Also can sparkplugs have any influence to this situation? F30 N20 drivetrain malfunction after timing chain replacement at dealership : BmwTech 2 Posted by 2 years ago F30 N20 drivetrain malfunction after timing chain replacement at dealership Hey guys, I have a 2014 F30 with the N20 motor and the only mods are the dinan stage 3 tune and a dinan fmic. E84 Common Symptoms Increase in fuel consumption Poor engine performance Possible misfire on start-up Cold start issues Possible Causes There are several possible causes for this code, such as: Damaged camshaft position sensor Defective crankshaft position sensor Thank you in advance. Its a possibility that the motor could be saved,,,,but it would take a lot of money and time,,,there has been some people of done their own DIY and fixed the engine depending on what is damaged,,,if it is just the timing chain,rails , oil pump and hopefully the bearing arent bad and no damage to the pistons and valves the repairs might not be that bad,,,,you have to realize you have 176k miles which is a lot.,,,and what about the transmission is that next to fail? The car has 176,000 kilometers or roughly 110,000 miles. You only touched an accessories belt part. module. Glossary of Emission Coverage attachment for more information. Or will my timing chain, etc. Question,,,what is a DME clone,,,,is it a used DME?,,,,or a aftermarket replacement DME. 131401 Intermittent VANOS (variable cam shaft timing) exhaust cold start not controllable I have a X1 E84 with the N20 engine. i am getting the following error codes on my 2013 BMW X3 (107k miles): I bought a BMW F20 118i with N13 1.6 engine. unfortunately info on this N20 is almost none exist at best. I have checked timing multiple times, I found this article online and this is what Im thinking right now!! code:131501 VANOS, intake, cold start: not controllable. We are just have an idea that it is fuel related due to other countries dont have the same problem as we do,,,and we have different fuel requirement then other countries,,,,so what might be happen is the the fuel burn is not as great as other countries and causing more stress on the timing chain causing it to break down. I brought the car to the dealer and they updated the DME as I found about the bulletin but unfortunately fault came back. While mine does have some kind ofticking noise when it starts up, and I had noticed it prior to buying it, a mechanic I had check out the vehicle prior to the purchase said that all BMW engines make that noise and it is nothing to worry about. Hello BMW Technician, I have a 2011 BMW 535i with N55 engine. How can fuel be the cause? no dtc but it complete its combustion cycle i check for spark, fuel and compression was reading ok on all 4 cylinder but there black smoke and strong gas smell out the exhaust.I allso found wire harness for dinantronics box which is pigger back to DME was rubbing under the eng. has reduced power output. 130308 VANOS, exhaust, control fault, position not reached Yes it does not say no signal. Could this be the timing chain? if you can direct me in the right path I will really appreciated . What could be the problem? I would like the tackle the Vanos issue first and go from there. Cleared the code, and restarted the engine, within . My car have no error code, product 4/2012 with no tune. 61 00 720 Refer to KSD2 Programming / encoding control unit(s) Should I proactively replace the timing chain tensioner, part number 11318685091 (replaces part number 11317567680)? Hello there, loving your info. Hopefully it will prove to be a non issue. Connecting rods are 144.35 mm long. Is this true? SUBJECT F10, F25, F30, F31 and F34: Its hard to say what the problem might be,,,but with the timing chain issue on that engine,,,I would look into that and maybe the exhaust vanos unit? Thank you so much for your advice. Thats a good possibility thats the timing chain issue. Then I used ISTA and diagnosed the exhaust side. The spark plug have nothing to do with this problem,,,,they would cause misfires,,,I would think you should get some kind of signal from camshaft angle,,,,are you sure everything is plugged in correctly, Hello, My exhaust cam is retarding to the most far point , I time the engine with kit, locking crank, cam shaft and vanos. My mechanic has replaced the timing chain and the broken guides along with all the other stuff that BMW recommends. The oil and filter were changed along with the timing chain. 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My 320i with N20 engine have problem with light accelerator or cruise on hightway, about 1.100-1450 rpm.Engine noise u u u like weve a drone around and with little vibration on steering. It gave the code 2D61 VANOS Outlet control, position not reached. I can of course record my engine startup if thatll let you know the case). Code 132408 Vanos Exhaust Intake camshaft not locking at start up Do not replace any parts. To set the timing properly you have to be sure the Vanos units are locked its end position, so its moving 1:1 with the camshaft. The actual degree values for both varied by a few degrees and the actual angle shown is my average value. Tried new battery. My daughters 2013 survived. He believes that its not enough oil pressure in the tensioner therefore is not tight as it should be. WARRANTY INFORMATION I learned that if you touch the neg and positive battery cable together while the battery is disconnected it clears the light. Im not really sure its my 2012 BMW 320i (F30) probably produced from 05/2012 affected by this or not as its did not show in the list. Perform a vehicle test. when he took a test drive, the codes again cam back. When retrieving BMW check engine light codes with an OBD II scan tool, proceed as follows: 1. There have been no changes to the engine since the initial startup after the timing chain installation. Reduced power" warning, 745i 2002 - Engine Malfunction - reduced power, If this is your first visit, be sure to The oil and filter have always been genuine BMW. Hi, I have N20 with rough idle. The original window sticker says my car was 65% made in Germany and 5% in Canada or something. The timing was checked several times after installing the new chain. You should ask the dealer about it. Brought it to a second mechanic. check out the. It looks like the car is on this recall list. 130304 The problem could be caused by the fuel destroying the plastic guide. iTrader: ( 0) After change chain tensioner - Drivetrain Malfunction. Looks all good. Hi there I have a 2013 BMW f30 320 d EFF engine N47 T EUR model N47D20O1 production date 25/03/2013 ,does this engine have timing chain problems 175.000 Kilometers. Note that ISTA/P will automatically reprogram and code all programmable control modules that do Replace the solenoid that the code followed. I cannot seize why the 320i has the issue however 220i should be similar engine N20 and not listed is it because of different KWH or what ? The crank pin to hold at TDC goes through the tiny hole pointing to the rear of the car by the catalytic converter, the only thing this would be able to hold onto would be the flex plate/flywheel. Loss of power and smoke on the exhaust when accelerating. E84 and E89: In US the N20/N26 timing chain extended limited warranty is 7 years/70000 miles, so what is extended coverage available in your country? The cost of diagnosing the P052B BMW code is 1.0 hour of labor. Tried to read live camshaft sensors read ista says that currenty no data is sent from them to DME. F25 My mechanic said he had already replaced the Vanos sol valves and still getting the same codes. Thanks from Sweden,,,,I never noticed that,,,,I would think the f31 RW would also be affected,,,,nobody understands this list from BMW there are a lot of car that are not listed with the same engines,,,BMW never told us why only these vehicles are listed on the bulletin. Yes I have seen some engines survive,,,,it just hard to say what damage was done to the engine and how bad it is,,,,and is it worth fixing. This website is not affiliated with BMW AG in any way, and should not be confused with the websites of BMW AG, BMW M GmbH. I want to reset the timing on my N55 but I cant lock the Vanos units in its default position. Thoughts?? Had mechanic put on Autel code reader diagnostics and got 10 or so codes relating to things such as the dinamic stability control, fuel pump. I would just pay attention to any abnormal whine noise,,,,there is no maintenance on the timing chain. It revs fine but with the turbo disabled a drive around the block is at a pedestrian pace. 61 21 528 Refer to KSD2 Charging battery Next day car returned to BMW with propulsion light . Ill check my gas cap but I need to clear this code. How do you check the oil pressure? Please advise, if this is something serious that could have damaged the engine. I had to replace the valve lifters. check got vanos dtc come to relies i switch the cam gears when i install them so i correct it after veh cranks but no start check timming over like 3 time it good. Thats important to know for later. 2: 12A701 Catalytic converter downstream oxygen sensor, electrical fault: circuit short to battery (+) There can typically be a ton of different. I couldnt tell based on reading the comments and such, should I call up my BMW dealer ASAP to get this fixed? one of the plug had corroded pins due to leaking pigtail from that Dinan harness and i got the DME clone. FM pistons with negative bias of piston ring are also installed in this motor. Other Repairs Also camshaft sensors also does not give any data to DME. During highway driving the car drives fine. Any thoughts!!! Sorry I dont see any video,,,,ok when you say the starter and engine dont appear to make attempt to start,,,,,question does the engine turn over when you are trying to start the car,,,,,question does the engine make any sound when trying to start the car,,,if the engine does not turn over when trying to start car,,,,try and turn the engine by hand from the front lower crankshaft bolt and see if the engine will turn. Ok Ill do that. Now I'm getting the drivetrain malfunction every time I start my car. Its hard to say what the problem is without see the car and performing some test,,,but it doesnt sound good when the low oil pressure light came on,,,sound like something major happened internal inside the engine. F34 2011 BMW 535i [0.00] 535i drivertrain malfunction. Learn how your comment data is processed. The VANOS cold start faults would reappear within 15 seconds of startup. Also after cold start also misfire error pops up. The BMW Certified Pre-Owned Limited Warranty applies to BMW CPO vehicles that are still But one of the passages might have had some trash in it. Everything else works perfectly at 176,000km. Reset codes and adaptations without increment wheel. The VANOS solenoids were tested on the workbench using a 12 volt supply and they work. 00 00 006 Refer to KSD2 Performing vehicle test (with vehicle Maybe a stupid question but I noticed the f31 328i xdrive is mentioned on the form but not the rw ? SITUATION You could remove the valve cover and get a friend to hold tension on the chain while you change the tensioner, but its not exactly a quick job. The first start up gave many more codes but I have cleared the fault codes several times and these two appear along with the consequence fault code of 120408 Charge pressure control off. procedure outlined below. Thanks for your time. Hi bmwtechnician, When the VANOS solenoids were removed for testing I checked the marks I made on the VANOS impulse wheels and on the harmonic balancer and they looked perfect. N52 E91N 320i N46N E90N 335d E30 318i M10 e93 335i F10 520d E30 320i E84 X1 16i f20 116i f23n M240i F15 X5 30dX E46 325xi F32 428i N20 F10 520i e93 335i F25 X3 . I dont want to sell the car because nobody is going to give me what I bought it for. Coul it be timming change or leak some where? charger. I know there has been a lot of people complaining to BMW NA about this problem,,,I think there is a case where people are trying to sue BMW over the timing chain issue,,,one of the problems is none of the other BMW have this problem only the N20-N26. 131908-VANOS inlet: cold start, Position not reached. Even though work time labor operation code 61 00 006 ends in 006, it is not considered a Main If so, can I buy the warranty for the used car now? The update can only be done at the dealer,,,you will only need a update if there is some kind of BMW recall on software or if at anytime your car might need some other repair which might call for a update for the repairs.,,,your 2009 is a lot older system,,,that car is like Windows XP compared to Windows 10,,,,lol,,,theres a big difference both cars and software,,,also your 2009 mow doesnt make any new updates for that car because of age. I would love to listen to your video,,,please send it. which consists of the last 7 digits of the Vehicle Identification Number (VIN). I don't drive the car very aggressively, however i noticed that it didn't pull as hard as it used to a couple of days leading to the drivetrain malfunction. My car, BMW 320i 2014 with N20 Engine, with 33K Miles on the clock, is just broke down with a drive train error. I assume the tensioner is operated by oil pressure and its normal to feel some slack when the engine is not running? Required fields are marked *. also by any chance would you know the torque specs for this bolts? It goes from 0 8 kpa and back to 0 will cranking do you have any idea what that reading should be on the fuel rail. still the same problem. Just to be clear, there are two different parts of the VANOS solenoids on the N20. Hi Andreas, This question has appeared in your blog before. to performing repairs, please see SI B01 02 11 for Emissions Warranty Coverage and refer to the The VANOS function test showed that both VANOS units were working. The car has 103,000 miles. Good day. With the engine running the function test for the exhaust and intake VANOS passes. also it has a start stall initially. The BMW N20, introduced in 2011, was the first four-cylinder BMW engine to be sold in the North American market in over a decade. But the solutions havent worked for me. The engine was idling when it happened. ISTA says these errors: I manually crank engine over few time but after start it always goes retarded on exhaust cam shaft. The car is as we speak back to the dealer for further diagnose and they have seen a slight difference in the crankshaft position or something like that.. one of the shafts was not in the correct angle. Here is a video of whats happening today. 131908 VANOS, intake, starting from cold: Position not reached Im in california and Im planning to buy a used 2015 BMW X3 xDrive 28i (F25). no hesitation. DME. I guess I can continue to enjoy the car and see what happens or sell it. Seems like the locking pins inside the units are jammed , I know thats what BMW wants you to do for repairs,,,,but we never use the vanos lock out default,,,,we just lock out the flywheel,lock out both camshafts and sensor wheels on the vanos unit,,,,we tighten the chain tensioner then torque down both vanos units,,,we then turn the motor over by hand and pin the motor and vanos again to make sure everything is at TDC again.,,,I hope this helps. If you are using a Main labor code for The intake cam had the following desired/actual degrees: 0/-8, -20/-20, -10.4/-10, -20/-20 and -10.4/-10. Come join the discussion about Bimmerfest events, production numbers, programming, performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! With the VANOS solenoids removed, the spring loaded VANOS spool valve moved in and out easily. Most likely you have broken timing chain guides and the whole timing set will need to be replaced. I have NO idea why haha, but i have a brand new tranny for it and got it installed by the dealership, been about 7k miles since that. Now getting error 131501. [ Copyright 2013 BMW of North America, Inc. ] You could replace the tensioner if you like,,,you should be ok since your car was probably built in 2015.,,,,you could ask your local dealership on what they think about your car and the timing chain issue. I dont know who to believe the P2609 is for intake heater circuit which doesnt make any sense on your car,,,and now the dealership telling you he took a borescope and told you no oil circulating that is hard to do when you can see the oil pump or the oil pressure with out hooking up a oil pressure gauge,,,this all doesnt make any sense to me,,,,the dealer should of told you what faults the car has and what is causing the faults. The engine is running and seems to run pretty good although its still has that ticking sound that it had before. 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