This post drips of mercy. Amen sister!! Anil. Letting you know about this is one of the most loving things that Lina can do at this time so that others dont experience the pain that she went through. Its where I was led to Christ. Let us examine ourselves for unconfessed sin and seek to live in fear of the Lord lest bitterness overtake us.. Still, even I knew when enough was enough. No church outside of the One True Church Christ began was given His authority to act on their own. Still, things seemed off. In a statement, the elders apologized to MacDonald and the congregation for the ways they had failed to live at peace with all men, as far is it depends on you (Rom. I hope that the cleansing and purification will come to Davenport as well. A woman who is full of fun loving life. The church and its people helped create Pastor James He is not the only one involved it was a group effort. The culture of fear is real, soo much so I dont feel comfortable giving my name as some will know me. Finances: Giving not Tithing. I should have walked out but, I too, was afraid. My daughter was also at that service when they showed the video. There are dozens if not hundreds of witnesses against many Elders at Harvest all saying the same thing. These changes were never made, but the critics were silencedfor a time. thanks, So the Harvest Bible Chapel elders fired him, fired him from pastoring his own church, which of course was no longer his church to make decisions for, but theirs, as a wholly owned subsidiary. These patterns were present and recognized as early as 2012, and nothing was done about them. The message we received was they were sorry we felt that way and they were sure it was not his intention. :) I met my husband about 5 yrs ago and he had been attending faith community church for a bit. I was brushed off. The Elephants Debt, which had posted criticism of MacDonald, including stories by former Harvest members, elders, pastors, and staff, throughout 2012 and 2013, went on a posting hiatus at around this time. I regret staying at Harvest after that meeting with the elders. We too would pray and fast and seek the Lord as to what it was we could have done wrong as not one person from the church we had attended for years cared to find out where we were at. A worship song says He gives and takes away, He gives and takes away, and still my heart will say Blessed be the name of the LORD!. Many might wonder why it all still matters to me so much. Others had old wounds that had resurfaced and were hurting, having never felt closure to their stories. By then there were so many small things that werent so small and added up to big things that could have explained my leaving, but to me, that video was the tipping point. We warn the people of Harvest Bible Churchto separate themselves from these false messengers. Come together at part of the body of Christ called Harvest Bible Chapel and pray that Gods will not ours be done. I dont know why, except that I just really wasnt getting the Word of God from the stage and I do mean stage. In a statement written by church elders, the Chicago-area megachurch says they fired MacDonald forengaging in conduct contrary and harmful to the best interests of the church., Following a lengthy season of review, reflection, and prayerful discussion, the Elders of Harvest Bible Chapel had determined that Pastor MacDonald should be removed from his role of Senior Pastor. Persecution or hardship drew them close. I dont know you personally but appreciate all you continue to teach me and countless others. I pray others in leadership read your post, check their hearts, and follow suit. I agree here. Their letter covered MacDonalds self-promotionlove of moneydomineering and bullying abusive speech[and] outbursts of anger.. Did they not find that video shocking? I love you and our Lird. In addition, what was shared now, may have been heard better now, then it would have been heard before Lina left Harvest. Does It Matter Where Your Clothes Come From? 3:48. Unreal as I went to Harvest for over 7 yrs and this whole situation has hurt so many people. Even people who were very close to us turned silent. Fear. In my lowly position, I have said, like others, I would have put my head in the sand and continued to do the job God gifted me to do in the interest of the body. Five Uncomfortable Church Documentaries Still Worth Watching, Asbury Announces New Service ScheduleCampus Will Be Closed to the Public After Today, Eight Witnesses Testified Against Hillsong Founder Brian Houston in Court Case. Lina, a number of years ago I was reading one of your books while waiting for Gordon Z. to join me for lunch. First, they resigned, along with a third elder (who was not excommunicated only because he also left Harvest and was no longer a member), in protest of how the church was being run. In a statement written by church elders, the Chicago-area megachurch says they fired MacDonald for "engaging in conduct contrary and harmful to the best . Harvest Bible Church is a non-denominational, non-charismatic, evangelical Protestant church located in Northwest Houston in the Cypress community. Its messy. There are always two sides to every story not really believing your story and if someone is a Christian you would talk about this with some Church leaders not blow it all out in public its sad that it was done that way that isnt what a Christian would do it is what a secular person would do. But as every Christian knows, we walk and we live by grace. How you hit the nail on the head! Just goes to show, pride goeth before a fall. Also, for 2 years I felt my prayers didnt get past the ceiling. I was recovering from the deep wounds and hurts from when we left when this all came rushing back in and opening old wounds. My family attended a smaller Harvest church close to Elgin. Your daily news briefing from the editors of CT. Secrest, who founded the church in 2016 and affiliated with Harvest last September, said he didnt know at the time about the ongoing concerns raised about MacDonalds leadership and the churchs financial status, which led to Harvests lawsuit last year. This decision was made with heavy hearts and much time spent in earnest prayer, followed by input from various trusted outside advisors.. The devil may win some battles, but we know God ultimately wins the war. Those that have gone through it ask themselves, should I speak up?. The fallout has only just begun. I think Nellie and others are genuine in their questions of why now and why kick him when he is down. As painful as it is, all that has been hidden must be revealed. Hearing these stories has helped me to realize I left just when I was supposed to. Fear is a stupid liar and I praise God that Hes given us a spirit of a sound mind and Love!!! The edited . Go figure..Disappointed, Searching for a new study close by. Less well known was that these individuals agreed to leave Harvest aloneto stop publicly criticizing the churchin exchange for a promise that the current elder board would enact changes. These same elders that all of a sudden had the courage to fire James, ( which I think is a scam, this was orchestrated )are the same elders that approved that stupid video with those four scum bag elders excommunicating other elders! In his statement released this week, MacDonald continues to criticize the church for its treatment of him and cites the successful arbitration as confirmation that the truth has been on his side all along. Thank you for this post. Im one of the people who asked you to share why you left. Maybe you were called in front of the elders and asked to rewrite because thats horrendous theology and an awful way to be an ambassador for the Gospel. He was a very good speaker and teacher of the Bible but was forced to resign from our church a few years back. . The beloved drink is both an attraction and a generational divide. You are brave and you did the right thing! Im disappointed in your timing. Ross, Ross, But the biggest lesson is people need to stop looking at preachers as though they are perfect, but God know they arent and they need people on their necks to keep them honest. Ted Haggard bemoans his "exile" in a new HBO documentary. I pray your steps continue to be guided by our Lord! P.S. I pray shes wrong. This included an abusive and fear-based culture where those who question leadership are punished, she writes. This man is a smooth deceiver and believes his own lies. We dont know if He will allow Harvest not to crumble. There were several close family deaths, lost our home, business and more. Nicole, I am sorry if you are offended. Love you! That the church went on and did not implode or hemorrhage members right then speaks to the prevalence of harmful ideas about authority and church leadership in evangelical circles. I enjoy both of you Christian ladies for the different gifts you both bring. A year or so before leaving Harvest I had written a blog post about holiness in which I had referenced the growing fad of tattoos in our culture. see My Dream Church https://sites.google.com/site/mydreamchurch/, I would love to chat and learn more of what you are doing. The church was growing at the time. On February 12th, someone who sounded an awful lot like James MacDonald called into Mancow Mullers Chicago-area radio show to cuss out all of his perceived enemies. Thank you, Lina. What would Jesus do? Then, a famous friend of his, Chicago shock jock Mancow Muller, spoke out in a local newspaper against the manipulation and ego he observed around MacDonalds cult of personality at Harvest. Amen. Basically hes a figurehead who can be dismissed on the whim of any elder or his wife. *Strong Bad: Just for the record, in all kindness Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall. Same as your departure, not a single person reached out to see how I was doing once I left my job. Rotate positions? Because these leaders will continue this false deceitful way of life that flows from them so seamlessly, so easily, and with such persuasiveness. God help those who cant see their need to be set free or judge those whove found it in Christ Jesus. New to Harvest and my faith in Christ, I didnt know what was going on and still kinda of unclear of all the details. []. Then, he was fired, according to the Daily Herald, a suburban Chicago newspaper. The congregation has been deceived, lied to, and hounded to give sacrificially, all the while the senior pastor has been making hundreds of thousands of dollars. I left Harvest about a year before you did, and I also stayed, for the most part, silent out of the same fear you described. I hope that you are recovering well, for you have added a vital piece of information. The news came less than a week after another update from Julie Roys, a defendant in the lawsuit and the writer responsible for the World investigation, who has continued to release evidence against MacDonald and call for his resignation. Yes, God has this in hand, but that doesnt mean He wont ask His children to do the hard work of calling out sin in unrepentant believers. I wondered if you had become a full time missionary and if that was why you quit writing. They made excuses for him. I think that was his recruitment tactic. FEAR is a liar, pray for them and never let offense take you out, that was the enemys plan! And then unfortunately when we do speak up we get comments like yours saying why nowit seems Christians cant win either way. Others lied to me directly for selfish gain. In the clips, the person who sounds like MacDonald talks about a plot to plant child pornography on Christianity Today CEO Harold Smiths computer. Division and to take a part a ministry that was reaching and teaching people all over the world. When someone lies with such ease , that is pathological, and they must be removed from their positions!! Your staying as long as you did part of the clarity and power youve experienced in communicating what youve seen. Those are things we dont talk about often enough about. Thank you for your thoughts and strong, encouraging words. But, the truth is, I am ashamed to say, I should have left much sooner. Though MacDonald has been granted the rights to his Walk in the Word ministry, he and Harvest remain at odds. Like the unsaved around us we fight for positions of prestige to lord it over one another. Agreed Sheila. Another church on The Lord's Way is on its way out. Your willingness to sit down over a cup of coffee in your home with women of God and get real about our hurts, our fears, our dreams, or whatever is going on in our lives. I believe this is God working to expose sin just as Jesus warned Luke 12:2-3 It isnt about timing. James MacDonald founded Harvest Bible Chapel in 1988. I have replied, I would have probably, as most have done, put my head in the sand and carried on doing the work God gave me to do. Your two posts make no sense I hope you get some sense and realize people in Church are not infallible only Jesus! Thank you for speaking out, Lina! Im very certain you do not understand narcissists and how manipulative they are I recommend Dr. Ramani on YouTube as she is a great resource to gain understanding but the only chance to fight their evil is to bring it out into the light, expose them for what they truly are. I cant imagine a person alive who couldnt look at their life and say the same thing in some area of their dealings with people. I questioned a particular sermon that clearly was unbiblical but no one else did. | Photo: Harvest Bible Chapel Facebook The Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability has suspended Chicago-area megachurch Harvest Bible Church following the firing of its longtime pastor James MacDonald and amid ongoing revelations that the ministry had misappropriated funds. BTW, Ive loved your blogs in the morning, but cant read the Twitter ones because I am not on Twitter. It all is about money to pay taxes and building and salaries. In the wake of his departure, the Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability acknowledged serious concerns around spending and financial stewardship under MacDonald that resulted in the church losing its membership status. I grew up in the Church of Christ. Because ultimately what God wants is not a huge army of women who are nice. 2. I think he forgot Whose ministry it was. Thank you for this. I loved his book Vertical Church. I work every day to be rid of my anger and thank you for proving that church is an unsafe place filled with predictors such as yourself seeking to tear down. Many were kicked out and shown the door. Lina, you are strong and your faith in the Lord is inspiring. But He is in control of everything and if He wants HBC to continue, it will continue. Mike was genuinely shocked when we told him our son had Paxton as a camp counselor for whole week at Camp Harvest and we never received notice as HBC falsely told Daily Herald. Its difficult to understand how people can now know what they know and still only criticize the ones that feel compelled to now share their story. I hope to become braver. Also I Cor. The good intentions of our ministry partnership with Harvest Chicago have been overshadowed by these developments, he said. I have had similar experiences at The Chapel . So Grace is only for MacDonald and no one else not the elders he excommunicated, not the numerous employees who were fired or kids who were expelled from HCA, not the pastor who was fired in FLORIDA and had his church taken away I would ask you SERIOUSLY??!! Its hard to step out alone but God always protects and brings darkness into the light to be seen. A friend sent a link showing a video of a former Willow pastors return to that church to speak after leaving a decade ago for similar reasons as you left Harvest. I am sorry for the pain. I hate to be James because God judges leadership harsher than the regular sinner. Somehow I thought 2500+ members walking out would send the message. Thank you Lina! Until recently, I thought I had escaped my fear by leaving Harvest, but I was still afraid. Jesus taught eternal love. Pray for those of us who donate 10 percent of our income and would like to know where the money really goes. www. Lina, Hidden things have come to light. We attended Harvest for 16 years before we left little over 4 years ago. Several years went by and one family apologized to us as did another man. Welcome to Ohio. The fired senior pastor of Harvest Bible Chapel megachurch is contending, in a new lawsuit, that an attorney and accountants hired by the church took part in a "smear . It also had a church-planting network, Harvest Bible Fellowship (HBF), which MacDonald dissolved last year. He claimed he would never return to Willow until things had changed and the time was right. Ill let the others fight that fight today. It is loving to tell the truth. On February 13th, the elders at HBC fired MacDonald, citing highly inappropriate recorded comments made by Pastor MacDonald that were given to media the day before. Im replying after reading just your first few paragraphs. Why kick him and the church while their down Lina? Im a prostate cancer survivor and had radical prostatectomy in 2005. Criticism of MacDonald begun to surface on The Elephants Debt, a blog founded in 2012, run by Ryan Mahoney and Scott Bryant, former members era of Harvest Bible Church. After that, I felt like my time was wasted. The former Harvest Bible Fellowship leaders now at GCCwhich contains about 130 churches, more than half of which still have Harvest in their namesshare concerns about the churchs leadership and are looking for transparency and repentance from MacDonald. With Gossip of the Gospel, the Church Grows in Nepal. James ended up sending me a copy of the new approved blog post, and out of fear, I complied. I can see you have regret for not having the courage to do it then but youre working to make up for it by speaking now. Im grateful that the sin of James and the elders/staff who allowed his tyranny to prosper is finally coming to light, so that the abuse can come to an end. I was mortified. All that leads to ia where we are, I led worship in a church for 5 years. The controversial founder and former pastor of Harvest Bible Chapel is barred from serving as pastor or elder of the popular evangelical Christian church ever again after an investigation. Pastor James MacDonald of the Chicago-based seven-multicampus Harvest Bible Church, issued an apology statement on Sunday saying that the board of the megachurch unanimously agreed to lift a discipline ban from three excommunicated elders. I guess I felt like one of the peons of Harvest, and that me reaching out wouldnt matter, since I was not a part of the inner circle or personally close to you. who we really love. then the sermons and teaching were getting distorted and weird. The decision comes after an explosive scandalous period at Harvest, including a botched excommunication,an ill-fated attempt at a defamation lawsuit, a scathing investigative report from World Magazine and then this most recent, shocking revelation. Browse 60+ years of magazine archives and web exclusives. How do you know it wasnt done with fasting and with prayer? With so much gaslighting going on and public take-downs of those who would speak truth to power, and your investment in the church industrial complex, I can imagine how difficult it wouldve been to speak out publicly at the time of your leaving. May the love of Jesus Christ and his peace flood over you this day! than submission to leaders I too have had similar experiences in another church (The Chapel). Did you realize elders and pastors are personally apologizing g to people? Harvest ousted Daniel Marquardt, Scott Phelps, and Barry Slabaugh in 2013 after they protested against . I have since moved on and seen God do some pretty amazing God-sized miracles in my life and ministry (evidently, God does work outside of the walls of Harvest Bible Chapel!). That is why we keep talking. I thought something was off but had only my own suspicions to go on as we were told not to criticize. Streaming Video Broadcast. Do you realize the elders are already choosing to step down? Lina, I no longer help lead a larger mens ministry. I also trust that you did seek wisdom from the Lord on what and how to speak into this. Not one. Both of us were involved in many forms of leadership and had invested for many years in the outreach of the church and all of its fellowship. Ive been blessed by your teaching and Im wondering if I wouldnt have heard your teaching as much had you stayed longer at Harvest. 35The good man brings out of his good treasure what is good; and the evil man brings out of his evil treasure what is evil. The elders were given a paper that laid out their duties, that mostly consisted of protecting, encouraging, and blessing the senior pastor. Its by an unbeliever, but wow, is it eye-opening. I struggle with the fear of man myself. You did the right thing and I believe more will step up not to dishonor James, but noticing how much the church has changed. We dont know each other, but I found this via Julie Roys Twitter. Dont stand in the middle, dont seek to mediate. I knew he wasnt perfect, but then, neither was I, I reasoned. I didnt want James as an enemy, as being on the inside knowing and seeing how he could and would destroy others in ministry if they challenged him. Why if it wasnt really a real sinful mess would so many in leadership just exit and give up what was a big part of our lives and our kids lives? My heart breaks for the ones who will walk away from church and walk away from God. Also another story emerged on why another person left Harvest Bible Chapel. I wont make that mistake again. That is who God truly cares about. While regret cant look back, we now live in a different era than we did four years ago. Theres a difference between stirring the pot and exposing false teachers as the Scriptures instruct us to do. Ive been in the medical field for over 40 years and know a thing or two about human anatomy. 1st at services, then recording those messages fir walk in the word and finally by publishing them. 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You have every right to speak up; and I respect you for doing so. Pastor James MacDonald preaches at Harvest Bible Chapel. Harvest used that phrase to manipulate the congregation. Although I do not want to be a part of this church any more, I strongly feel that God is directing me to continue to obey his direction in this scripture and take their disobedience to another level. Dont stop trusting or loving. Even before the Garden of Eden seduction, he foresaw the need for The Lamb slain before the foundation of the world. Your leaving (however late you feel it was) was His provision for others, much like Joseph sent ahead to Egypt years ahead of his brothers and father. Otherwise, the church must answer the same question, for that is one of the majors that Jesus gave us. Were they afraid? Do you not remember that God used His Chosen to reveal the sin of not only churches, in the New Testament, but also to Kings in Old Testament. out of fear you complied Thank you Yahweh. What is strange about your concern about your own fear is I have been of thee opinion that Pastor James must have been ruled by his own fear-fear of losing influence and the fear of losing his ministry. I know many people who attend Harvest or who have been impacted by MacDonalds preaching are crushed today. So much good was happening at Harvest, surely it must have Gods blessing. Wow. Roys article details three examples of actions that former Harvest employees say reveal MacDonalds hot-tempered, vengeful personality. For years, they had been made to feel like the outcasts, but finally vindication in its godly form was working its way out. 1 Timothy 5:20 Some women were still in the middle of the trauma and were still currently attending Harvest. I wonder if this is an area where youd feel free to minister; where people leave the church and are forgotten. Many are in or have been in denial. Hes my brother in Christ. With my life and schedule, my friends are few and far between, and have always been aware that my saying anything publicly about Harvest or James would jeopardize those friendships that I still love and value so much. He was the senior pastor of Harvest Bible Chapel megachurch in Rolling Meadows, Illinois, United States [1] [2] and was the host for the church's former broadcast ministry, Walk in the Word . , Titus 3:10-11 says as for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once, and then twice, have nothing more to do with him, knowing that such a person is warped and sinful, he is self condemned. Also 1 Timothy 5:20 says as for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, which is what we are doing, so that the rest may stand in fear. , Nothing is covered, nothing is unresolved, nothing is ongoing, only this attack from the enemy. Hmm. Being part of Harvest, and hearing how the utmost leaders were tattooed with the Vertical Church logo, as I prepare the lesson, I cant help but wonder about the tattoo on the bodies of those who accepted the mark of James as their alliance with the Vertical Church of James. Be blessed Lina! My father went through prostate cancer. Voices heard together make a difference. Still. Nellie, be very, very careful! (images of wife beating and mental control come to mind) For a different church model, see My Dream Church https://sites.google.com/site/mydreamchurch/. On Tuesday, Chicago shock jock and one-time friend of MacDonaldMancow Muller aired a series of clips featuring someone who sounds like MacDonald making offensive comments. We are the Church! Fear is why leaders did not speak up until now. It truly is the Lords work. God is faithful, and He is doing what needs to be done to protect His bride. Life goes on people repent and grace is for everyone. Thank you Lina, You can read that article here. Superior to whom? Ezekiel 22:27: Her princes [leaders] within her are like wolves tearing the prey, by shedding blood and destroying lives in order to get dishonest gain. I think God has not lifted the veil on a lot of eyes for some reason. Stephanie Martin, a freelance writer and editor in Denver, has spent her entire 30-year journalism career in Christian publishing. I still hold fast to the hope he will take all this to Jesus. No Celebrities Except Jesus: How Asbury Protected the Revival, Southern Baptist Convention Disfellowships Saddleback Church, After Pushing for UMC Unity, Former Bishop Joins New Denomination, After Chaos and Crisis, Beth Moore Still Finds Refuge in the Church, With Gossip of the Gospel, the Church Grows in Nepal. My first two books were scheduled to be released smack in the middle of that summer, and I didnt want to impact their potential not to mention that James had agreed to write the forward on my first book. There are times in our lives and circumstances that its just not real clear as to how to address something, with as little harm to what is good, as possible. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISjXhWUyGi0&list=PLud2nIxx0IAT58I8QPBdfrOz8bFMQQcd6&index=4&t=0s. Ezekiel 22:27 I was there when Ted launched. So long that lawyers all wonder why I waited so long- but trauma takes time to recover from. When one part of the body hurts, we all hurt! I was counted as one of the privileged ones and considered it a great honor to know James personally and even be considered as part of his inner circle at that time. Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus, for the law of the spirit of life (in Christ Jesus) has set me free from the law of sin and death.. 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