Just cant decide what billets and powder to run. M700 shooting 180-gr. Versitile and with the right twist rate can really launch some High BC pills out there. The 7mm SAUM is an ideal cartridge for long-range competition and long-range hunting. 280AI vs 7 SAUM: two peas in a pod. I didnt have any problems finding reloading supplies. Adding two inches of barrel to the 24 inches of our 7mm Rem. 7mm Rem. Cartridge: 7 RUM. Buy Now. Hodgdon reloading data for the 7mm WSM shows that the 140 grain Nosler Partition spitzer bullet can be driven to a MV of 2979 fps in front of 58.0 grains of H4350 powder. Everyone who knows what they're doing headspaces off of the shoulder anyways, and you should not be doing load development with virgin cases, you want to fire form them first so the belt is a moot point. The completed case holds 90 grains of water with our 175-grain boattail spire point bullet seated. . I also see the counter that belted cases are reloaded just like non belted and it is a non issue. Guys report great brass life with belted cases. Unless you are shooting the 180's at long range, the 7 Rem is enough gun. 8.7 twist 5R and 180 JLKs couldnt consistently make it to 100 past 3Kfps. ADG 7mm Rem Mag Brass. Specifically, the larger diameter .284 bullets used by those 7mm cartridges have about 5% more frontal surface area (also known as cross sectional area) than the .277 bullets used by the 6.8 Western (.0633 vs .0603 square inches). Was tempted to do a 270 WSM with 170 EOLs. All rights reserved. Worth considering. I wouldn't do either in a 24" , I would definitely go 26" at a minimum. The 7mm Remington Mag generates significant recoil of 22.15 ft-lbs at 13.32 fps. To comply with the new e-Privacy directive, we need to ask for your consent to set the cookies. Mag. Of course, this was an overreaction, but at the time millions were convinced the new 7mm was the do-all-end-all of deer/elk/moose and even bear hunting cartridges. When making your choice, don't factor in component or ammo availability. 8tw 195 or maybe the new 190 atips. Mag., 7mm RUM, 28 Nosler,) you dont need a 7 PRC. Sign up with your email address to receive news and updates. It is intended for long-range shooting due to its ability to utilize high BC bullets, and is also uniquely suited for hunting large animals such as elk. Overall cartridge length of the 7mm RUM is 3.6 inches, right there with a .375 H&H Magnum. (Aim for center and bullet will not rise more than 5 inches nor fall more than 5 inches within the MPBR. Recreational and practical applications abound with these .22 caliber handguns. Its a criterion 26 barrel. John Whiddons dies are the nicest Ive ever used. Hey guys, so Ive kind of decided to give one of these a try in my Desert Tech SRS. The .28 Nosler of 2015 was their solution. In the past, running 284 Win (reaching back to Raton, 2013), I would have said that (for me at least) a rechamber would be in order for a straight 284 around the 2000 round mark. Almost overnight the seven em em was on the lips of American hunters. I would not be overly concerned with it only being for hunting. Like you said though, it's pretty tough to go wrong. SAUM can be found on the . To help you understand the flow of energy, check out the chart-. While testing some upgraded M700 Remington rifles at FTW Ranch last summer, I simultaneously test drove the pre-release 7mm PRC from Hornady. 7mm mag has stood the test of time. Remington and Winchester went to short, fat, unbelted cases for their latest 7mm magnums, the 7mm Remington Short Action Ultra Magnum and the Winchester Short Magnum. at the muzzle. I dont reload but i see this statement a lot. But if you are only going to shoot the 160's you may be ok with SAAMI spec'd chamber. Reloading data published in the fifth edition of the Nosler Reloading Guide for the 7mm Rem. ABLR in the 28 Nosler. Im shooting a 7 stw 1 in 8 twist ( ballistic twin to 28 nosler ) 190's at 3005 fps, and the 195's at 2985 fps both with under .5 moa accuracy. Here are some specifications of interest to those reloading the 7mm SAUM cartridge: bullet diameter .284", maximum COL 2.825", maximum case length 2.035". Nosler told me their bonded bullet is designed to retain 70%, same as the partition. Compared to the ballistics of the new Rem. Less well known in the U.S. (but more ballistically advanced) was the 7mm Weatherby Magnum from the early 1940s. Nosler brass also undergoes the rigorous quality control that premium Nosler bullets have experienced for over 60 years. That was the 7x57mm re-branded for the non-metric British Rigby rifle. Brass is not going anywhere as a handloaders cartridge. Clearly the 28 Nosler is the flat trajectory King here, but at the expense of more recoil, more powder, and a fairly large, standard-length action to fit the .534 rim/head circumference. More obscure were the 7mm Gibbs and the Norma-loaded 7x61mm Sharpe & Hart in the early 1950s. Great performance, easy to neck a case down and a simple bushing change gets you great dies. In older reloading books for the 7 rum is its hauling a$$ compared current data. Should be 7.5lbs scoped or so. It is simply the 7mm SAUM case necked down. Saw some shiney spots, no bolt lift but did open the pocket a little to the point of a few firings at 3120 fps. I also kicked around the idea of 7max, but can always go that route later. New member question. Therefore recoil is not a problem with bullets of 140-150grs. With a 160 grain bullet the Remington figures are 2960 fps and 3112 ft. lbs. These claims are valid if the short magnum cartridges are fired in 24 inch barrels, the same length as the barrels of most 7mm Rem. The parent cartridge is a shortened 7mm Remington Ultra Mag. So how do you choose among these three? The 28 Nosler is in the 7mm Rifle Ammo family. The shot prior a half grain less powder had minimal pressure signs. This is a long-range dream cartridge for sure. Following since I want to do the exact same thing. Well use a 10-inch diameter target zone for computing Maximum Point Blank Range. At SAAMI specs you really hinder the performance, need a little extra freebore to seat the bullets out further. Mag. I feel I could easily shoot 180s at the same speed, and the 190s close to it. That results in performance like this: Whoa grandma! Also, is it worth getting a new rifle in the 280AI when I already have a 270 Win? Handloaders can take advantage of all these, but most commercial ammunition features 120-grain to 178-grain bullets. I think the 7saum is here to stay. The 7 SAUM offers better performance than the 300 Win Mag in a package that is almost as small as the 6.5 Creedmoor. The Nosler Reloading Guide 9 lists a 175-gr. It only makes sense, case with 8gr less capacity out running the bigger case, it's because of pressure, and lots of it. It is going to be strictly a hunting gun on a lighter weight platform. Mag. yea Im leaning more towards the 28 just cause I dont really want to fire form, I know its not the end of the world but just one more step. Remington claims that the ballistics of the 7mm SAUM equal those of the popular 7mm Rem. If you want a shorter barrel, look into the 7 SAUM, 7 RM and even the 7-08 , they'll all get it done nicely. Minuteman. I think if I was buying a hunting rifle, and just wanted to keep a few high quality boxes of factory ammo around, the I would go 7Rm. By 1,000 yards the PRC has nearly a 2-foot drop advantage and 14-inch windage advantage. 7RM!! As the .30-06 Springfield has a .473 case head and uses the .470 +/- bolt face, any cartridges list on the above two bolt face diameter and action length database charts above, that also use the .470 +/- bolt face, and have a COAL of 3.34 or shorter, will work with .30-06 actions. Running 8twist Proof 168s run flat, 5.2mils the other morning at 912y. include more options in rifles and ammo, more accessible and less expensive ammo, less recoil, a potentially shorter, handier, lighter rifle, and longer barrel life. Using new brass, like Lapua brass, when reloading allows you complete control over the finished cartridge. RDF, or Bergers 190-gr. ADG 6.5 SAUM Brass. Creedmoor Sports $ 120.95 . rifles. Now lets check out the 7mm RUM. He is having adg make brass for him, its head stamped and the neck diameter and length are correct for his design, will still need to be fire formed. bullets far, far downrange with minimal wind deflection and maximal accuracy. Nothing to call home about, but its solid for any North American game to 7 or 800 yards based on about any standard metric. JavaScript is disabled. If you go with a hot 7mm, get one with a fairly heavy barrel contour. Choices have changed since I made the decision to go with a 7 WSM 10-15 years ago. Clearly the 7mm Rem. I would go 7 LRM if it wasn't for the Hornady brass . This is not a rifle you want to weave through dog-hair timber. https://westtexordnance.com/7mm-300-norma-improved/, https://www.longrangehunting.com/threads/28-nosler-195-berger-re33-testing.159270/, Desert Tech SRS A2 Covert FDE w/ conversions, Desert Tech SRS A1 FDE RH 6.5x47L - Parted Out. For perspective, this is 75 fps faster than most 175-gr. Typical 140- to 175-grain, .284 slugs are wide enough to resist bending (a problem Bell had with tough, thick elephant bones) yet narrow enough to minimize drag. ADG 338 Remington Ultra Mag Brass. Few, if any, cartridges shoot as flat and hit as hard at distance as the 7mm Weatherby. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Qty: Add to cart. Never saw the need for the added horse power of the 7 STW so I sold it and stayed with the 7 mm Rem Mag. 7mm Rem Short Action Ultra Magnum Load Data 120 Grain 140 Grain 150 Grain 160 Grain 168 Grain 175 Grain 185 Grain PRIVACY USE ORDER PROCESSING SERVICE & RETURNS Copyright 2023 NOSLER INC. Just $1 per month , The old 7mm Rem. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The store will not work correctly in the case when cookies are disabled. Most people are getting sub half moa. The structure of the material reveals the hardness. Mag., the new .28 Nosler, and the over-the-top 7mm RUMa shoot-off to find the best, By We use cookies to make your experience better. The .28 Nosler and 7mm RUM push the same bulletsjust faster. Im sure Remington engineers started with the .300 H&H case, but it was itself a modification of the .375, so same difference. Fill this with 88 grains of slow burning Reloder 33 powder and, according to the Nosler Reloading Guide 8, you should get 3,211 fps from a 26-inch barrel. We have killed over a half dozen deer over 850 yards with the 195 berger so i know it performs well on game (never lost a deer with the 195 even with one having poor shot placement). A barrel shot out for target competition might remain more than accurate enough for big game hunting. Nosler shortened the RUM case, gave it a 35-degree shoulder, and shortened the neck to .276. 6.5 PRC. Abonner p vrt nyhetsbrev og bli den frste som fr vite om kuponger og spesielle kampanjer. And in the chambers of their rifles. This is Not a New Thing. ADG makes 28 nosler brass for a great option. for my brand of hunting. Once you get some freebore to seat the long, heavy bullets out, it really shines. Absolutely nothing special or difficult about reloading belted cases. Creedmoor Sports $ 116.95 . Now I am waffling between the 6.5x284 Norma and the 300 PRC. might not sound like a big deal until you start maneuvering it in and out of cases, trucks, scabbards, and forests. My 28 will not blow the door of the 7 MAX which is why I did not rechamber a 28, I want more accurate load life and no chasing lands around for only a little gain on the very end of trajectory. JavaScript seems to be disabled in your browser. First, the 7mm Rem Mag and 28 Nosler use larger diameter bullets than the 6.8 Western. I'm going 7-300prc because it'll out pace a 7mag by 100-150fps with all bullet weights at much more manage pressures. Mag., the new .28 Nosler, and the over-the-top 7mm RUM. For reasons that I can't explain (though perhaps have something to do with me eating paint chips as a kid), I have an obsession with 3k FPS muzzle velocity. Ron Spomer Great extraction and wide nodes with many powders. And with RL33 hes getting 3140 fps (pretty easily), using Retumbo (for it's temp stability) drops it about 75 fps. Alabusa Learning. Id be set for all North American game plus African plains game right up to 1,800-pound eland. Som en stor omfattende nettbutikk er hjemsol forpliktet til hjelpe deg med skape et stt liv med vre utskte produkter. Ron Spomer The 7mm advantage comes from relatively high BC (ballistic coefficient) bullets in popular weights commonly used for hunting horned and antlered game. The 404 Jeffery sired the majority of Nosler's cartridge line, namely the 30 Nosler, 26 Nosler, and 33 Nosler as well as other cartridges like the 7mm Remington Short Action Ultra Magnum (SAUM). 7 RUM Choose an option 6.5 PRC 6.5 SAUM 7 SAUM 7 REM MAG 7 RUM 28 NOSLER 300 WIN MAG 300 NORMA MAG 300 PRC 300 RUM 30 NOSLER 338 LAPUA 338 RUM 338 EDGE 300 WSM 375 RUM 7 REM MAG BRIGHT 338 RUM BRIGHT 30 NOSLER BRIGHT. With a 160 grain bullet the Winchester figures are 2990 fps and 3176 ft. lbs. Another vote for 7 rem mag. I was looking at a 7-300 win, 7-300NM, and a few others. for their 7mm SAUM with a 140 grain bullet. #7mm #longrangeshooting #extremelongrange without laser assistance. And it will likely penetrate farther because more of its mass rides in the long shank behind its nose. Great case design, great bc bullets available, more efficient powder burn than most 7mm cartridges, low recoil, and very very accurate. I have both the 300 and 7mm SAUM, the 300 is on a model 7 action and the 7mm a standard 700SA. Qty: Add to cart . We are now conversant in 6mm, 6.5mm, 7.62mm and especially 7mm. Just picked up a tikka for a donor build for a lightweight 6.5 PRC or 7mm SAUM. Pros, cons of both and reasons why. First, notice that kinetic energy remains above the elk killing minimum of 1,500 ft-lbs at 700 yards. Im going to run the 7 Saum Im thinking. at the muzzle. You could beat it by loading that same bullet in the 28 Nosler, but youre still facing the barrel burn out issue. Ive got the same dilemma. Almost through fire forming but ran some pressure ladders with fully formed brass with 180 Berger hybrids, H1000 looks like I'll be at a good max at 3000 fps and R26 3050 fps and I good life. Either is good. I set my dies to headspace off the shoulder and forget about the belt. And more recoil. Piecing together a rifle build but havent settled on what I want to chamber it in. Since this rifle will be used sparingly maybe I can afford to go with something a little harder on the barrel. In order to obtain that performance from a .30 caliber, I would need to jump into the .300 Win. These are some impressive numbers. Part of this is due to the .40 inches of freeborn Remington builds into its 7mm RUMs to minimize chamber pressures on ignition. If you compare Nosler .280 AI brass vs. Nosler 7SAUM brass, you get twice the cases (50) with the .280 AI for only $10 more than what it costs for 25 cases of 7mm SAUM. How bout building a 280AI. It slightly exceeds the ballistic performance of the short-action 7mm SAUM on the right. 12 Gauge 1". Thoughts on a 22 or 23 Barrel in 7mm Rem Mag? Running a 7mm like others velocities are really easily to get. gavevare til innvarming, bryllup, bursdager og alle anledninger. You can drive 10 mph and get thousands and thousands more miles out of your tires, but wouldnt you rather drive highway speed? HOWEVER, I don't follow the logic of having to use a 26" barrel if you go the Nosler route. My hunting partner just bought a CA Ridgeline TI in 6.5PRC. For Connaught we moved to 7mm SAUMs and in preparation of going to that FCWC I got . Copyright Ron Spomer Outdoors document.write(new Date().getFullYear()) Fr pske salg: Opptil 50 % rabatt + Gratis frakt over 499 kr Instead, the Hornady-developed RCM case was used to produce the 6.5 PRC. These bullets are super tempting to run at 3200+. Because the 7mm RM is a familiar benchmark, lets establish some basic performance numbers in an 8 pound rifle with 24-inch barrel spitting a representative spire point, boat tail, 175-grain hunting bullet, B.C. Good luck in your search, hope youll be as happy as I am with my results. $ 87.00 - $ 145.00. To comply with the new e-Privacy directive, we need to ask for your consent to set the cookies. I go back and forth in my head 1000 times on choices, then I will decide on what I know that I want, then I'll see something else and go back to the drawing board. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. Abonner p vrt nyhetsbrev og bli den frste som fr vite om kuponger og spesielle kampanjer. The 7mm PRC in center is the same overall length as the 7mm Rem Mag and achieves the same muzzle velocities, but does so in a fatter case with no belt. factory 7mm Rem. . Consider that already own a 270 Win with a 22" barrel. Fr pske salg: Opptil 50 % rabatt + Gratis frakt over 499 kr . I don't feel the need to give up barrel life (it may be a hunting rifle but I still practice with it) for a marginal increase in speed, as well as more powder and more expensive brass. Mag. So far on order, The Sherman requires case prep and fire forming which is rounds off of your barrel life unless you buy a hydroforming die $$$$$, Caliber = internal diameter of a barrel bore, outside diameter of a bullet. The Nosler loads were developed in Remington cases with Remington primers, and chronographed in a 24 inch barrel. Or just step up to the 7 SAUM and run 180s if you want more weight. Buy Now. The 280AI is a great cartridge, as is the plain old 280 Remington. landed with a splash big enough to drench every deer/elk cartridge in North America. Howdy. Mag. But if you want to win long range target competitions, the 7 PRC is your best bet. I'm pushing the 175 eldx at 3005 fps, with excellent case life (10+ reloads). bullet wins the wind deflection category. The 28 Nosler is also loaded to a slightly higher pressure than the 300 Win Mag (65,000psi vs 64,000psi). 28 Nosler offers excellent performance but brass is spendy and availability is hit or miss . Kind of soured me on light bullet's. Pros and Cons of the 7mm PRC Almost through fire forming but ran some pressure ladders with fully formed brass with 180 Berger hybrids, H1000 looks like I'll be at a good max at 3000 fps and R26 3050 fps and I good life. Brass 1 - 12 of 73 Products Sort By Position 220 Swift Premium Brass (50ct) $108.95 6.5mm PRC Bulk Unprepped Brass (100ct) Out of stock $135.49 6.5mm PRC Premium Brass (50ct) Out of stock $118.95 27 Nosler Premium Brass (25ct) I'm not too familiar with the 7LRM, but I'm having a 28 Nosler built for hunting. And most of the recent data for the rum is also on the weak side. The SAUM will be built on a long action. Fill this brass case with smokeless powder instead of water and, according to some handloading guides, 62.5 grains of Reloder 22 should shove a 175-grain bullet from a 24-inch barrel 2,870 fps. It had impressed its power upon our troops in Cuba under fire from Spanish Mausers in 1898. bullets, but not the longest and certainly not such long numbers as Hornadys 180-gr. 92 grs. This friction-free bullet jump allows it to break inertia more easily. But they didnt shorten anything. The factory offerings for ammo hold no weight with me, but that probably plays a role in many people's decisions. 7mm RemMag. You must log in or register to reply here. You see a 7mag throated with 250 freebore and adg brass can do all of this. Mag. I'm the same as you. I suspect the Sherman cases are all running between 70-80k psi on the upper end. It may not display this or other websites correctly. And that means more powder. performance without stepping up to a full magnum length cartridge and rifle action was Noslers goal. Dies, brass etc are way easier to find for the PRC. Newer calibers tend to fade quickly these days. It's an extraordinary caliber that has proven itself for decades upon decades, and just in the last few years has hit new strides thanks to the SAAMI standardization of the caliber, because of it's time-tested popularity. Those are some impressive numbers. Will the 156 take down an elk, sure but I would prefer to have a .284 caliber in a biased opinion. Barrel life is always a concern with maximum velocity, so-called overbore cartridges. I love my 7 SAUM and would do it again. If youre going to tackle an elk or mule deer with a 180-grain bullet at around 2,900 fps, the 7mm version in that bullet weight will shoot flatter, drift less, and put more energy on target than the .308 version. The 7mm PRC in center is the same overall length as the 7mm Rem Mag and achieves the same muzzle velocities, but does so in a fatter case with no belt. Dec 7, 2019 #14 ; 7 mag easy. from all the adds for the nosler 28, they have the data on the 7 rum dumber down to make them look better. But to really appreciate this, lets run a trajectory chart out to some crazy ranges. 224 Valkyrie. 7mm PRC vs 28 Nosler The 28 Nosler shoots at faster muzzle velocities, but is an overbore cartridge that requires a very long chamber, with the Hornady hype behind the 7mm PRC, brass and ammo should be much more readily available soon enough. Just FYI before going 7-330NM, check out Long Range Hunting, there is a real long thread on there about the 28 Nosler with the 195 Bergers, just google it. According to SAAMI specs, instrumental velocity of the 7mm PRC is 2,950 fps when driving a 180-grain bullet. When in doubt, pull the 338 out! We're doing break in on it tomorrow. Jan 1, 2018 2,001 4,006 51 Muscle Shoals, Alabama. Mag. ADG 6.5 SAUM Brass. You must log in or register to reply here. For you guys that have had both with do you prefer. Check out the 10 mph right-angle wind deflection at 400 yards: just 7.82 inches. Were I seeking the absolute top-end, extreme-range performance and willing to carry a 28 inches of barrel, Id look harder at the RUM. LRHTB. I agree mud, but where does the 284 shehane fall compared to the above cartridges? In shorter barrels, performance declines dramatically. Any opinions, thoughts, or experiences with either? A major part of that depends on rifling twist. With RL26 I stuck a case in the chamber @ 3150fps. If you're only going to be shooting 160's, I think the regular 7 Rem Mag would definitely be a more economical choice. However, if youre hoping to win a target shooting contest at 600 yards, the 3 inches less wind deflection and 4 inches less drop from the PRC give you a leg up. The 7mm Weatherby has the same recoil as a .300 Winchester Magnum, and many shooters can't come to grips with it. ADG 28 Nosler. I've mostly shot 180 Berger's and its been really accurate. Mine is a 26" 1-9 twist non saami 280 ackley. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. If you want 7mm magnum performance, youll have to change tires (barrels) now and then. First, thanks to OP for starting this Thread and to everyone for posting. All the info in that thread made my decision for me. Has 260 rounds on it so its fully sped up. Elk, moose, kudu and similar large . The 7max performance that Rich advertises is somewhat inflated and HOT loadings. As the name suggests, this round is aimed squarely at accurate, long range performance. My conclusion: if you already own any 7mm magnum for hunting, (7mm WSM, 7mm SAUM, 7mm RM, 7mm LRM, 7mm STW, 7mm Wby. 28 has an edge over 7RM on range and power, but as others have stated 7RM already has. They are all throwing the same bullets more than hard and fast enough for anything. I also kicked around the idea of 7max, but can always go that route later. And the accuracy with both powders was great as well. More significant are the chamber dimensions, which are tighter than those of most traditional, 20th century hunting cartridges. Hornadys 7mm PRC with its high B.C. You are using an out of date browser. Retained mass helps maintain momentum. Just to add another fly in the ointment, but another 7mm to consider, is the 7mm Blaser Mag. But then none have put it all together quite like Hornadys new 7mm PRC (Precision Rifle Cartridge.) ADG 30 Nosler Brass. Recoil of a 9# Rem. Mag. His bolt-action rifle was chambered for the confusing .275 Rigby. Crap I don't remember, I'd have to pull a bullet, I've ran H1000, Retumbo and lots of R33, that load was H1000 but I only have the speed in AB. The 7mm Precision Rifle Cartridge is a long-action centerfire rifle cartridge designed to shoot 180 grain bullets at 2,950 fps. Easily fed from a BDL mag box. Creedmoor Sports $ 116.95 . 195s topped out @ 2950 w/ N570 using a drop tube to fit powder, that primer pocket was loose after. Full Member. That's how gun control works.". Im going to run a tikka action/stock trigger with spring upgrade with a 22in carbon barrel and a light weight scope. The rim of the RUM was already rebated to fit a .534-inch bolt face. The maximum load for that bullet is 61.5 grains of H4350 powder, which yields a MV of 3133 fps at a chamber pressure of 61,900 psi. Assuming that would be as illogical as assuming the 30-06 Springfield, 308 Winchester, and 223 Remington are strictly military cartridges. The load is easy on brass and accuracy is excellent, Nosler Custom Reloading Brass 280 Remington Ackley Improved 40-Degree, Nosler Custom Reloading Brass 7mm Remington Short Action Ultra Mag Box. Bullet made it in about 3" an blew a big hole in it. Furthest down, around the primer pocket, the brass should be firm. My Saum is on a med length action and was a full tilt everything I wanted build. Creedmoor Sports $ 86.95 . Trustpilot. They explain in part the enduring popularity of the 7mm Rem. If the muzzle energy is higher, it will leave the bullet with higher energy. I neither believe in this minimum nor in shooting elk at 700 yards, but this is impressive performance for a standard-length cartridge nearing its 60th birthday. Vintersalg: Opptil 60 % rabatt + Gratis frakt over 499 kr Actually just today finally found a Redding type s die seton stock. The .28 Nosler and 7mm RUM push the same bulletsjust faster. haha The good part is it's kinda hard to go wrong these days being there are so many great choices. burning 61 grains Reloder 22, 28 Nosler, 3,200 fps from 26 bl., 88-grs. Rich is a good guy to talk to on the phone we bsd a bit the other day. 7mm Rem Short Action Ultra Magnum Load Data. If you were to blow the taper out to .010" and add-in a 40-degree shoulder, you would only gain 1.9 grains of case capacity. If its a hunting rifle does it really matter? Minuteman. Since then weve met eight or ten other 7mms, but none has knocked the old 7 Rem Mag from its perch. The 7mm has a longer barrel and is heavier. Lets compare three cartridges that do that; the old 7mm Rem. Subscribe to OL+ for our best feature stories and photography. ADG 28 Nosler. My thinking was that good ol' 7mm RM. .280 AI hands-down. #1 Postby Marty Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:38 am. Im using Winchester brass, and it's showing no signs of wear after 8 or 9 reloads. It will shoot as fast as a 7mm SAUM and brass is easy to find. I like the 6.5 PRC because I think ammo/brass will have more staying power where the 7mm SAUM is all but obsolete (don't stone me for that). Engineers made three modifications that ensured popularity: they shortened the case to fit standard-length actions. Mag. .672., MV 2,900 fps. 7mm brass is simple to find and the caliber is an absolute hammer on deer/elk. All Rights Reserved. Case has a good balance of capacity for the bullets I tested (180'd and 195's) Plenty of usable powder options. Been looking for a while. 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