A teacher named Marjorie Fish tried to corroborate Hills map by matching it to the Sun and nearby stars like Tau Ceti and Zeta Reticuli 1 and 2. scientific equipment, so how could they get this knowledge? Bullard, Thomas. According to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. Nevertheless the Sumerian Oannes myths, first described by Sagan and Shklovskiy in Intelligent Life in the Universe in 1966, are as intriguing as ever. Based on Carrolls website (skepdic.com), the Dictionary is the definitive short-answer debunking of nearly every thing skeptical. With this, the Dogon mystery comes crashing down. Many served in the French army in World War I and some of them could have returned years later with colorful embellishments for their native legends. WebAlso there is the fact that they described the Nommo as fish people and you find all kinds of half man/half fish - serpent imagery all over the Mediterranean. In September 1980, Dr. Philip C. Steffey did an in-depth analysis of Dogon astronomical traditions in "Some Serious Astronomy in the 'Sirius Mystery,' " which criticized Temple's book as "inadequate and full of factual errors and misrepresentation of critical material. How did the Dogon obtain this knowledge? MANY SKEPTICS WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT ONCE SOMETHING IS debunked, that will be the end of it. of course, no evidence for this special eyesight, nor for other equally Dogon people are renowned for their knowledge about the Sirius Star system which dates back to 3200 BC, long before scientists discovered it in 1862 The traditional mythology of the Dogon is amazing. The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. Legends of the Dogon Belief in a Long-Solved Mystery Resurfaces. Whew! The other five are still seen as red but from the time of Arab astronomers to the present day Sirius has been blue-white. 1995. Griaule himself was aware of the discovery of Sirius B and in the 1920s before he visited the Dogon there were also unconfirmed sightings of Sirius C. The Dogon were well aware of the brightest star in the sky but, as Van Beek learned, they do not call it sigu tolo, as Griaule claimed, but dana tolo. to other visible stars near Sirius as recognition of the invisible He points out that Griaule and Dieterlen stand alone in their claims about the Dogon secret knowledge. by Liam McDaid. It is important to look at the assumptions and implications of the claims made about the Dogon. [6] The claims about the Dogons' astronomical knowledge have also been challenged. Afrocentrists, on the other hand, claimed that the Dogon could see Indeed, in view of the Dogon fixation with Sirius it would surely be more surprising if they had not grafted on to their existing legend some new astronomical information gained from Europeans. Readers of Skeptic are not so sanguine. As the brightest star in the sky it was known and worshiped by ancient civilizations. Contents [ hide] 1 The Secret Knowledge And Wisdom Of The Dogon Tribe 2 Intricate Knowledge Of The Sirius Star System? Given that the French stayed in their territory for five weeks and had several local guides, it would not be surprising if they shared some astronomical knowledge during that time. informed the Dogon of Sirius B or "he misinterpreted their references The Stone Age storytellers speak by their campfires of other people on other planets and of other mysteries. They conclude that Temple was very keen to please his mentor, who believed in extraterrestrial beings from Sirius. the Dogon. So what is the alternative to the extraterrestrial hypothesis for the Dogon myths7 The Dogons could have learned of European Sirius lore in the 1920's from traders, explorers or missionaries, many of whom are avid amateur astronomers. MANY SKEPTICS WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT ONCE SOMETHING IS debunked, that will be the end of it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sirius_Mystery. by Liam McDaid. I disagree. have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in var d=new Date();var n=d.toLocaleDateString();var t=d.toLocaleTimeString(); document.write(n + "
" + t); Want to know your future? And this is what Mr. Oberg has done." Paranormal, ed. He was told that fishlike creatures called the Nommo had come to Earth from Sirius to civilizes its people. The introduction to his second edition is so full of paranoid theorizing,2 that although it is quoted extensively and interpolated with favorable comments by Michael Bara (or possibly Richard Hoagland), the most extreme conspiracy claims are omitted.3. Ask about whatever you want with our Free Rune Readings! The bad news is that the pseudoscience websites were in seventeen different languages. Temple considers alternative possibilities other than alien contact, such as a very ancient, advanced, and lost civilization that was behind the sudden appearance of advanced civilization in both Egypt and Sumer. You dont have to watch too many Fantasy Channel (formerly known as the History Channel) specials on ancient astronauts before youll be told about the primitive African Dogon of Mali and their advanced astronomical knowledge bestowed, of course, by extraterrestrials. WebNew evidence deals a devastating blow to what was considered to be the best case for extraterrestrial visitation. Astronomers Carl Sagan and Ian Ridpath, for example, have suggested that the modern astronomical aspects of the complex Dogon mythology entered the lore only recently, probably shortly before the myths were written down in the 1930s. Used under aCreative Commons license. Mali was a former French colony (part of the Sudan), so some Dogon may have gone to French schools in the 1920s.7 Or Jesuit missionaries or merchants may have imparted the information to them.8, There may be an even simpler explanation. The main problem with the alleged antiquity of the Dogon "Sirius secrets" legend is that they are reminiscent of European Sirius speculations of the late 1920s. Since Oberg cannot do so, we need not concern ourselves with criticisms of The Sirius Mystery." Credulous scholars, like Young and Temple, were taken in and through them a whole generation has swallowed the false mythology of aliens from the Dark Sirius Companion. This article appeared in Fortean Times. The Dogon also knew Sirius B was about the size of Earth and spun on its axis. He soon multiplied to become six pairs of twins. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. answer is that they got this information from amphibious aliens from outer For instance, the anthropologist Walter Van Beek, who studied the Dogon after Griaule and Dieterlen, found no evidence that the Dogon considered Sirius to be a double star and/or that astronomy was particularly important in their belief system. They seem to have The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. The position of the What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. claims about the antiquity of this information or of a connection with extraterrestrial visitors? Of those websites, over 400 had been updated within the last three months. But it is an unfortunate tendency for certain reviewers to wish to try and appear clever at the expense of accuracy, honesty, objectivity, fairness, or even decent manners, by dropping any standards at all in their headlong assaults on authors using only the tools of distortion, dishonesty, and insults. See also von Dniken, Zecharia Sitchin, and UFO. I wonder. But other observers disagree. Feature Articles Dogon shame Did ancient gods from the Sirius star system visit an African tribe 5,000 years ago? History Debunked then goes on to demonstrate the type of pseudo-scientific nonsense this has lead to by providing a link to an Ethnomathematics paper and reading out its conclusion. WebThe Dogon understanding of astronomy was comparatively modern but has several known misconceptions - it entirely lines up with the European understanding as of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, before the discovery of relativity. The Bad Archaeology page on the Sirius Mystery has summarize the basic details well: In 1976, Robert K G Temple (born 1945), an American living in the UK, published what was to become a seminal work of Bad Archaeology, The Sirius Mystery. We may never be able to reconstruct the exact route by which the Dogon received their current knowledge, but out of the confusion at least one thing is clear: The diagram is only convincing as a representation of Sirius B orbiting Sirius A when most of the original symbols are eliminated. Here is an example of how hard it can be to critically examine the claims in the book. ", Investigating The Bad Archaeology page on the Sirius Mystery has summarize the basic details well: In 1976, Robert K G Temple (born 1945), an American living in the UK, published what was to become a seminal work of Bad Archaeology, The Sirius Mystery. (OK, I'll bite--but if such a star is not discovered, Temple has risked no converse conclusions. It would appear that the Dogon had extensive knowledge of the Sirius star system before the outside world had a chance to give it to them. A revised edition was published in 1998 with the new subtitle New scientific seem to have done little else than give the earthlings some useless The parts that bear at least a superficial resemblance to astronomical facts are most likely trimmings added in this century. Dieterlen the Dogon also name a companion star, po tolo "Digitaria African Observers of the Universe: The Sirius Question. In, Ortiz de Montellano, Bernard R. 1996. himself and his loose speculations on what he learned from Griaule, who E. "Ancient Astronauts," in The Encyclopedia of the WebNew evidence deals a devastating blow to what was considered to be the best case for extraterrestrial visitation. The Sirius mystery, though, remains of great interest to many researchers today. ;p7D) Could Sirius B have been a red giant a few thousand years ago? Its appearance in the dawn sky over Egypt warned of the impending Nile floods and the summer's heat and marked the beginning of the Egyptian calendar. Sagan further commented that he was surprised, given the freedom of viewpoint that Fish used, that her map didnt match the Hill map better!4. Below: The Canis Major Dwarf Galaxy (discovered in 2003) is the nearest known galaxy to the centre of the Milky Way. To quote James and Thorpe: As for Sirius B, only Griaules informants had ever heard of it. Was Griaule told by his informants what he wanted to believe; did he misinterpret the Dogon responses to his questions? A revised edition was published in 1998 with the new subtitle New scientific In other words, the Dogon tribe would not only need the knowledge but also a telescope in order for them to have the information they already seemed to possess. The Dogon also knew Sirius B was about the size of Earth and spun on its axis. Young was a fervent believer in the Council of Nine, a mysterious group of channelled entities that claim to be the nine creator gods of ancient Egypt. According to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. As James and Thorpe point out, he took star maps along with him on his field trips as a way of prompting his informants to divulge their knowledge of the stars. The former study also concluded that while a triple system for Sirius could not be fully eliminated, the probability was low. Journalist and skeptic James Oberg collected claims concerning Dogon mythology in his 1982 book UFOs and Outer Space Mysteries. The two anthropologists who first studied the Dogon (Griaule and Deiterlen) conducted their research in the 1930s. As anthropologists have known for a long time, primitive tribes have a remarkable talent for absorbing interesting new stories into their traditional mythology. (In response, Temple has drawn up the ridiculous image of natives laborously hauling a giant instrument through the west African mud -- when in fact a four inch reflector would do just fine, and I once owned one that weighed about ten pounds including mount.) The Dogon and Sirius. Swift appears to have taken the idea of two close (although not necessarily small) moons of Mars from Voltaire's novel Micromegos in which an It would appear that the Dogon had extensive knowledge of the Sirius star system before the outside world had a chance to give it to them. The Dogon were in fact aware of the fact that Sirius is a binary system (i.e. Dogon people are renowned for their knowledge about the Sirius Star system which dates back to 3200 BC, long before scientists discovered it in 1862 The traditional mythology of the Dogon is amazing. Temple does not argue that contact with an advanced civilization is the only way that the Dogon could have obtained what he understood to be accurate information on Sirius B, but he indicates that he personally finds the theory of alien contact more convincing. The "mystery" that is central to the book is how the Dogon allegedly acquired knowledge of Sirius B, the white dwarf companion star of Sirius A, invisible to the naked eye. Several possibilities exist. extremely dense and has a fifty-year orbit. from black Egyptians who had telescopes. Also, in the 1980s and 1990s, anthropologist Walter van Beek could find no evidence that the Dogon possessed knowledge about Sirius B today.9 But more enlightening is the fact that Griaule studied astronomy in Paris and brought star maps with him to Mali. 2000. This is only a stellar stone's throw by galactic standards and Sirius is only twice as far away from our solar system as are the nearest According to Robert Temple (The Sirius Mystery), the Dogon had The so-called "Sirius Mystery" can easily be explained by a transfer of knowledge from European visitors during that time period - and we know for a fact that several major visits by astronomers actually occurred during that time. I published, showed the distances to be nowhere close, in error by tens of miles, at least ten percent -- hardly "immense accuracy. This step was taken by others, particularly Temple, in the Sixties and Seventies. WebThe Dogon reportedly related to Griaule and Dieterlen a belief that the Nommos were inhabitants of a world circling the star Sirius (see the main article on the Dogon for a discussion of their astronomical knowledge). Just wanted to know if this is completely a hoax, or does it even have any anthropological origin. ), There were Giants in the earthin those days Genesis 6:1. The good news is that two of the first five entries were from skeptical websites (CSICOP and Bob Carrolls Skeptics Dictionary). knowledge of the satellites of Jupiter and rings of Saturn, among other The third explanation is that they learned the information from Europeans or in European schools. To penetrate this supposed disguise (which might not be a disguise at all, other classical scholars maintain), Temple resorts to ancient puns, to hidden meanings, to "garbled versions" which he must amend to fit the theory, to the exchange of consonants in innocent-looking words, to similar-sounding words from Qr*OJhiglNKc}{9GdA Mlt^+nR-Sp-f.y-`Pg##uAQDu&W&HM~IK{%uAM'bRV A\Z.4gAHU*j,H( rPaf@)2j
WebNew evidence deals a devastating blow to what was considered to be the best case for extraterrestrial visitation. For instance, the anthropologist Walter Van Beek, who studied the Dogon after Griaule and Dieterlen, found no evidence that the Dogon considered Sirius to be a double star and/or that astronomy was particularly important in their belief system. History Debunked then goes on to demonstrate the type of pseudo-scientific nonsense this has lead to by providing a link to an Ethnomathematics paper and reading out its conclusion. Legends of the Dogon Belief in a Long-Solved Mystery Resurfaces. century technological matters brought to them by visitors from other parts The assyrians called Sirius Kal-bu-sa mas (the Dog of the Sun) and in Chaldea, it was known as Kak-shisha (The Dog Star That Leads) Known History of the Dogon According to Dogon mythology, Nommo was the first living being created by Amma, the sky god and creator of the universe. Europeans too talked about the discovery of a third star in the Sirius system; later investigations, however, ruled out that possibility. In 1967, Temple began work on the thesis that became The Sirius Mystery. (2004). ", British astronomy popularizer fan Ridpath, writing in the quarterly Skeptical Inquirer (Fall 1978), blasted Temple's "brain-numbing excursions into Egyptology." Oberg also says that the Dogon were not an isolated tribe and that a member might have acquired knowledge about Sirius B while abroad and later passed it on to the tribe. Temple claims his expert cartographer found these distances "nearly equal." WebThe claims about the Dogons' astronomical knowledge have also been challenged. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. Temple's impressive research was encouraged by noted futurist Arthur C, Clarke (although Clarke now prefers the "modern influence" hypothesis). But now, in another recent publication Ancient Mysteries by Peter James and Nick Thorpe this mystery is also uncloaked as a hoax or a lie perpetrated by Griaule. Seriously: The Dogon and Sirius? At the latitude of Egypt, over distances of several hundred kilometers, planetary curvature introduces distortions only on the order of fractions of kilometers, not the tens of kilometers worth of inaccuracies I found in Temple's claim. But didn't Isaac Asimov check over the book for just such factual errors, as the publisher claims? Strangely, ancient records explicitly list Sirius as one of six "red stars." MANY SKEPTICS WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT ONCE SOMETHING IS debunked, that will be the end of it. 30-31. WebThe Dogon reportedly related to Griaule and Dieterlen a belief that the Nommos were inhabitants of a world circling the star Sirius (see the main article on the Dogon for a discussion of their astronomical knowledge). Sirius By comparison, our own Sun was that old 3.4 billion years ago. But Sagan then finds both astronomical and mythological holes in the hypothesis. As the brightest star in the sky it was known and worshiped by ancient civilizations. This is a complicated issue, because several special interest groups each claim the Dogon for their own. There is, The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. In 1952, Young was one of nine people present during the first contact with the Council, an event initiated by Andrija Puharich, the man who brought Israeli spoonbender Uri Geller to America. Unfortunately the ancient records contain no clear, unambiguous references to this Sirius lore although the works of historians, astronomers and philosophers were explicit and detailed on innumerable other subjects. "Legends of the Dogon: belief in a long-solved extraterrestrial visitor tells earthmen about the undiscovered Martian moons. 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