As they were chatting, Guthridge, who died in 2015, grabbed Ndiayes arm. I wouldve gone to Roy.. I was just happy that the team had success. He was a father figure.". Case in point. Guthridge went 80-28 from 1997 to 2000 before retiring in June 2000. That was quelled, but the chancellor had another thought: To the chancellor and many fans Williams was the obvious choice to succeed Smith. Smith and Guthridge had long maintained theyd retire together, the natural conclusion to a three-decade partnership in Chapel Hill. Bill Guthridge was consistently portrayed as a quiet gentleman. He wouldve been gone. He also was head golf coach for the Wildcats. (LogOut/ We easily could have won the championship, man, Ndiaye says. Division regular season champion He got his taste. Tim Crothers. North Carolina athletic director Dick Baddour has refused to comment directly on Guthridge's contract, saying the school's board of trustees discourages him from talking publicly about such personnel issues. The school scheduled a news conference for 2:30 p.m. today. That said, its worth remembering that he told Williams just a few years ago that perhaps 66 was too early to retire, given his near flawless health at the time. That's exactly what they did. Why bring those up? You accomplished something that takes some other people 20-plus years to do. 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Guthridge's did, too, and during Smith's funeral and memorial services, Williams, knowing the end could be near, told former players and current ones to spend time with Guthridge. Guthridge was the head coach of the Tar Heels for three seasons following Dean Smith's retirement in 1997. Guthridge was a player and then an assistant coach at Kansas State . 2023 Capitol Broadcasting Company, Inc. 08/08: Dean Smith to receive Presidential Medal of Freedom, 06/29/2011: Smith, Coach K, Yow honored by Naismith, 10/21/2008: UNC's Smith to receive Lapchick Character Award, 02/18/2008: ACC To Honor Dean Smith, Lorenzo Charles, other Greats, Bio Jobs Hub: Find a great-paying job that changes lives, even yours. And so even as the coachs hair changed from dark brown to gray to white, his position never did. Peterson -- who roomed with Jordan on those early 1980s teams -- said Guthridge kept the program going off the court, with the assistant making him run the school's golf course at 6 a.m. as punishment for once being late. Its hard, man. Bill Guthridge was consistently portrayed as a quiet gentleman. That team reached the Final Four and almost reached the title game even though Jamison and Williams missed 22 field-goal attempts in a 65-59 semifinal loss to Utah. The Child and Adolescent Anxiety and Mood Disorders Program is one of the first research programs focused exclusively on addressing the gap in child and adolescent mental health services. Showdown in Durham: NC State and Duke battle for ACC, NCAA seeding, Brownlow: NC State, Duke and Carolina all look to avenge ACC losses on busy basketball Saturday, Welter: I'm not mad, Carolina, just disappointed, AP source: Panthers to meet with QB Derek Carr at combine. What if he hadnt retired when he did? The following year, with the program bordering on a mutiny, Doherty resigned. Subscribe to The Athletic for in-depth coverage of your favorite players, teams, leagues and clubs. Guthridge . We offer our deepest sympathies to Bills family, friends and the entire North Carolina basketball community.. Frederick said he wanted to emphasize to Williams how strongly the university, the community, the people in the state of Kansas and all of our alumni and fans feel about him continuing as the Jayhawk coach forever.. Ndiaye comforted his coach, who had become a friend in time. He was North Carolina basketball, the constant as the new building was built in his honor and the banners in the rafters accumulated, the link from Scott to Ford to Jordan to Stackhouse. The Tar Heels lost to Florida in last seasons Final Four. (Smith told me), Its just not coming back. Change). Born William Wallace Guthridge, he attended Kansas State University where he played guard on the basketball team and helped the Wildcats. Had Smith made the logical move and coached on until his 70th birthday -- the route likely to be taken by Dukes Mike Krzyzewski (66) and Syracuses Jim Boeheim (68) -- he would have finished with at least 1,000 wins and possibly two more national titles. He never called me at home, unless it was something dire, Hanners says, but he said, How would you feel about meeting me in the office early on Monday at 7 to go over some things before everyone gets there? Hanners obliged, trying to ease Guthridges feeling that he was somewhat out of touch. A relatively quiet man with a wonderful and dry sense of humor. He competed in one as a player at Kansas State in 1958, was an assistant coach at 11 before directing the Tar Heels at two as head coach. After a three-year disastrous tenure under Doherty, the University of North Carolina hired Roy Williams from Kansas and got the leadership and gravitas that had characterized the UNC basketball program under Coach Smith and Coach Guthridge. Fast-forward to present day, and he has surpassed Smith in both national championships and wins. Ironically, both coaches developed dementia along the way (Coach Smith died in January 2015 of complications from dementia). Says losing Guthridge "is another tremendous loss. North Carolina made 29 NCAA tournament appearances in Guthridge's 33 years on the staff and finished no worse than third in the Atlantic Coast Conference regular-season standings every year -- with 16 first-place finishes and 10 more in second. He led his first team to the 1998 Final Four and had two players, Vince Carter and Antawn Jamison, selected in the top five . No, I couldnt even consider that, Smith said. While serving as an assistant coach, Guthridge turned down several head coaching opportunities, preferring to remain in Chapel Hill working alongside Smith. Its another tremendous loss for our University, our basketball program and our entire community. Whats best for the players future has to come first, Smith said of the way he dealt with McAdoo, who became the second overall pick the in 72 NBA draft. When Coach Smith died, Coach Guthridge knew that his friend was gone, but he quickly moved back to their time together when they were younger and dementia had not knocked on their doors yet. In his first year as head coach, he led the the team . Its funny, I talk to (Williams) players, and with the thought of the day, and the way things are run, and I go to their practices, Jamison says, its Coach Gut, Coach Smith in a younger body.. Once, in 1978, he did nearly take the head coaching job at Penn State but he changed his mind at the airport and never thought about leaving Chapel Hill again. Bill Guthridge is best known in Chapel Hill as an assistant coach to Dean Smith, but that isn't the complete picture of the legendary coach. "Because I knew Coach Guthridge had the best interest for you and wanted to see you succeed.". Guthridge took over when Smith retired after 36 seasons in October 1997. His legacy lives on in each of the players who were privileged to call him Coach and countless Tar Heels and people across the nation who admired him. The team performs dazzling spins and flips at campus events and even competes against other universities and jump rope clubs from around the country. But looking back, Hanners now believes Guthridge already had an inclination something was afoot. That includes two as a head coach at Carolina, 10 as a Tar Heel assistant coach and one each as a player and assistant coach at his alma mater, Kansas State. An assistant to Dean Smith for 30 seasons, Guthridge replaced his former boss when Smith retired in 1997 after 36 years as coach of the Tar Heels. But if Williams had declined the opportunity, as he initially did a year prior? You will be missed. 2 "The End of Absence" Michael Harris, Pt. He has saved many scholarships when he has suggested backing off certain players, and of course, has selected some great ones who matriculated at Chapel Hill., UNC coach Bill Guthridge gives instructions during a game in the 99-00 season. 1 team in America. The first is, if Guthridge hadnt wanted the job, would Williams have taken it? In his three seasons as head coach Guthridge led the Tar Heels to the NCAA final Four twice, in 1998 and again in 2000. With the number of Americans residing in assisted living communities nearing 1 million and growing, CEAL@UNCs work will be vital for ensuring that older adults nationwide have access to quality and supportive care that enables them to age with dignity and respect. Coach Guthridge is the best I have ever seen in selecting potential in high school players, Smith once said, according to the teams website. Theres no right answer, no certainty. Calhoun, elected to the Basketball Hall of Fame in 2005, is . I wouldve never thought of that in a million years.. Because that was supposed to be something that we accomplished together.. However, it was Coach Guthridges incurable heart condition that led to his development of vascular dementia, and with its progression, his placement for the last several years in a Chapel Hill assisted living facility. But Baddour explained to the chancellor that because of Williams respect for Guthridge, hed never have taken the job over his friend. When employees came to work at the GAA on a rainy day, Elizabeth Morgan, warm, Bill Guthridge, who made his college basketball reputation as Dean Smiths trusted right-hand man then took Carolina to two Final Fours in three years as head coach after his mentor retired has died after a long illness. He was a kind soul with a strong, competitive spirit. William Wallace Guthridge (July 27, 1937 May 12, 2015) was an American college basketball coach. Guthridge didn't bother to recruit Jason Williams,. Note: Former University of North Carolina mens basketball coach Bill Guthridge passed away May 12. Its not fair, but thats just the way it is for assistant coaches, Smith said. Ford whispered for Hanners to try running 21 defense really sagging off defenders, even inside the 3-point line. Smith wrote in his memoir, A Coachs Life, that before he retired in 1997, he told recruits: If Im not coaching, I am confident that your coach will be either Bill Guthridge, Eddie Fogler, Roy Williams, Larry Brown, George Karl or Phil Ford, not necessarily in that order. That group, fresh off a Final Four appearance, was tabbed as the preseason No. He was my friend, a father figure, a big brother for me just like he was for so many players," current UNC coach Roy Williams said. From 1972 onward, he was Smith's top assistant. But if Williams had said no, as he did two years later, would Ford have been tapped for the job then? He bought into everything. In that scenario, Williams never leaves Kansas and Ford probably never leaves North Carolina. Doherty was criticized from the moment he was hired, for breaking somewhat from Smith and Guthridges family dynamic; that scrutiny only intensified in his second season, when UNC bottomed out to a program-worst record of 8-20. School officials stressed that Guthridge was not merely a placeholder for then-Kansas coach Roy Williams, signing him to a five-year contract. The people who knew him best werent surprised he went to two Final Fours in three seasons.. I think its time to turn it over to somebody else, he said at a campus news conference. In fact, most of that team reconvened in St. Louis in 2005 for Williams first championship game at North Carolina. A tremendously loyal person with an ego that was seemingly non-existent. As he famously said at Smiths retirement news conference, I always thought we would ride off into the sun together.. In his 33 seasons at Carolina, the Tar Heels won two NCAA championships, in 1982 and 1993; played in 12 Final Fours; won the ACC Tournament championship 13 times; and played in the ACC Tournament championship game a total of 22 times. "I'm extremely saddened by the passing of Coach Guthridge, aka 'Coach Gut,' especially coming so close to the loss of Coach Smith," Jamison, who was national player of the year during Guthridge's first season as coach, said in a statement. Guthridge would still call on Smith, after all, to speak to the team at certain times. But when Baddour and Guthridge did finally meet, Guthridge expressed a desire to try his hand. And I think he probably had second thoughts, because at what point was it really a danger? After waiting an uncharacteristically long time to respond, he smiled and thanked me. I would have been as vigorous and go after that as hard as I could possibly go.. Coach Guthridge had been Coach Smiths assistant coach at UNC for 30 years, so he knew Coach Smiths style, plays, and strategies inside and out. I dont think he went in that summer thinking, Im not gonna be the basketball coach by fall, Baddour says. He was 77. His legacy and contributions to my life and to our University will live on and he'll be much more remembered for his sense of humor and class just as much as his coaching.". Whatve you got to prove then?. It was the 14th time Guthridge participated in the Final Four. Its not what gets remembered for the rest of your life, at least not at a place like North Carolina. In our prayers. But he was also one of the most passionate members of the Carolina basketball family in the last 50 years, and was completely devoted to the Tar Heels, to Smith, and to the University of North Carolina. He had interviewed for the Texas job, which went to Rick Barnes, after the 1998 season, after all. He was named National Coach of the Year in 1997-98 by the National Association of Basketball Coaches, the Atlanta Tipoff Club (Naismith Award), CBS/Chevrolet, the Columbus (Ohio) Touchdown Club and The Sporting News. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. 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When Smith retired as Division I's winningest men's coach shortly before the 1997-98 season, Guthridge was promoted to replace him, and he guided the Tar Heels to two Final Fours in three seasons. We ended up beating em easily, and I thanked him later for it, Hanners says. My guess is that Coach Guthridge probably never came back from that place after Coach Smiths death and I would speculate that Coach Smiths death may have been the final straw of an increasingly-unfamiliar and disconnected life for Coach Guthridge. He joined the UNC staff in 1967 after five years as assistant to Tex Winter at Kansas State. He tried to do every one of those little things that drove Coach Smith crazy. And I said, I cant say to you with certainty what Bills gonna do, but this is how we have to approach it. The little doo-doos, Smith called them, the administrative tasks just within the purview of his job responsibilities. . Now Guthridge, 77, is enduring a similarly cruel fate . The Tar Heels then went 24-10 in 1998-99 but were upset by Weber State in the first round of the NCAA tournament. I really liked the attitude of the team, the way they worked hard and how they were rewarded finally. He led the program to a pair of Final Four appearances in three seasons at the helm before retiring following the 1999-2000 campaign. One of the best testaments to Guthridges impact came on that retirement day, June 30. Guthridge took over when Smith retired after 36 seasons in October 1997. When his Tar Heels defeated Tulsa to earn a Final Four berth, the postgame locker room was one of the most emotional in the modern era, due at least partially to the devotion his players had for Guthridge and their joy in relievingat least for a momentthe criticism hed taken during the season. Or does Doherty get his chance regardless? Like his lifelong friend and mentor, Coach Dean Smith, he led by example instilling values of kindness, discipline and a strong work ethic. Smith was fresh off his 11th Final Four and had just passed Adolph Rupp for the most wins by any college basketball coach in history. Its one game, Jamison says. Guthridge was criticized last season by alumni and fans for losing five games at home the most since World War II and for a record that dropped to 18-13 after a first-round defeat in the Atlantic Coast Conference Tournament. Other opportunities had arisen over time, and yet Guthridge always remained as Smiths assistant. He would sneak into practices, hide way up in the rafters so as not to be seen. Looking around at his devastated players in the locker room, Guthridge realized he simply couldnt leave. Watch more top videos, highlights, and B/R original content, Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information. He was on the sidelines for a record 73 NCAA Tournament victories, including 71 at Carolina and two at Kansas State. He was 77. He will certainly be remembered for what he did as opposed to what else he might have done. He directed UNC to the 1998 Atlantic Coast Conference Tournament championship and was named the ACC Coach of the Year. (Jed Jacobsohn / ALLSPORT via Getty), Theres a world where Ford got his chance to be UNCs head coach, and maybe still would be in that position. If he had, then thats where the what-ifs really go wild. How close did Raleigh come to getting an NFL team? The University is currently operating under normal conditions. He once told a newspaper he never left the program because the other 300 Division I head coaching jobs werent better than his job as an assistant. Conference regular season champion As things went, by the end of the 1999-2000 season which concluded with a surprise Final Four run, Guthridges second trip in three seasons Smiths right-hand man was finally ready to step away himself. Guthridge became head coach after Smith retired in 1997 and coached the team for three seasons.UNC coach Roy Williams called Guthridge a key . There is one final thing, though, that seems to be consensus, the one aspect of this entire hypothetical that no one can seem to get over: that the reason there are still enduring questions about what Smith could have accomplished in those extra four seasons is because those are the same questions Smith himself always carried. Just a really good man who made Carolina, the ACC and college basketball better.. He had recently been in an assisted living facility in Chapel Hill. Guthridge was the consensus National Coach of the Year in 1998. Once he asked a manager, whose arms were full of equipment, if he had change for a quarter. He formed a successful partnership with Dean Smith that lasted three decades until Smith retired in 1997. The next season, North Carolina earned a #3 seed in the West regional of the NCAA tournament, but was upset in the first round by Weber State in a late game in Seattle. Guthridge, who like Smith was a. "Though he was a head coach for a short time, he gracefully carried on a culture and legacy that many thought could not be perpetuated.". Smith died on Feb. 7 after suffering for years from a neurological disorder that robbed him of his memories. CHAPEL HILL, N.C. ? But Guthridge, who died Tuesday at 77 of heart failure, was not just one of the best college basketball coaches of all time, he was an unfailingly decent man who displayed a rare degree of. When he reached the decision to step down during that summer of 1997, no one could have changed his mind, even if given the opportunity to do so. In five years on Winter's staff, Guthridge helped lead the Wildcats to a 9343 (.684) record, a pair of Big Eight Conference crowns, and the NCAA Final Four in 1964. Graduate of the University of North Carolina. Coach Guthridge was the right choice to lead the transition to another, younger leader of the famed basketball program at the University of North Carolina. "This is another terrible loss for the Carolina basketball family," former North Carolina player and current Charlotte Hornets owner Michael Jordan said in a statement to The Associated Press. In that July or August period, when Coach Smith basically told Coach Guthridge for the very last time in his life, Im not ready, Im not gonna do it again, then I think Coach Guthridge told him at that point that hed really like to try, Hanners says. One year against Laurinburg, Hanners squad was down about 18 with under nine minutes to play; suddenly, he felt Ford come up behind him. Guthridge, who like Smith was a Kansas native, spent 30 years as an assistant coach and had ample opportunities to leave Chapel Hill and become the coach of his own program. The fact that he felt like he failed us.. Guthridge took over when Smith retired after 36 seasons in October 1997. Certainly, what a marvelous run of three years.. Conference regular season and conference tournament champion Matt Doherty, who played at UNC while Guthridge was an assistant and then became the school's head coach after Guthridge retired, sent along his condolences: Thank you Coach Gut for the many lessons you taught us at UNC. Guthridge coached that team to the Atlantic Coast Conference tournament championship, a school record-tying 34 wins (including 30 wins going into the NCAA Tournament the most in school history at the time) and an appearance in the Final Four, where they lost to Utah. The university made a huge misstep when it hired former UNC player, Matt Doherty, a young, untested coach in the league of the Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC) and a 180-degreechange from the coaching styles of Coach Smith and Coach Guthridge, as its head basketball coach in 2000, when Coach Guthridge retired. 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Smith and Guthridge had long maintained they'd. But 1:57 was 1:57. Did Bill Guthridge win national championship? "Mak said he gets this call from his mom: 'Mak, there's this man here in Africa, says he's your coach,' ". A longtime assistant to the legendary Dean Smith, he shall be remembered for his three seasons as head coach of the University of North Carolina Tar Heels. And by the end of every summer, Smith returned freshly rejuvenated. If Bill Guthridge doesnt look familiar to you as a UNC-Chapel Hill head basketball coach, theres a very good reason for that. But when Guthridge retired, Williamsthen playing with the Seattle Sonicsmade the effort to find a commercial flight to Chapel Hill, then flew out again as soon as the press conference was over. 3 "The End of Absence" Michael Harris. He was 77. Heck, he might still be the coach at North Carolina. He, like Coach Smith, was more of a mentor and father figure than anything else. Dean Smith unexpectedly retired as head basketball coach at North Carolina just two months before the start of the 1997-98 season, and Guthridge was immediately named his successor. When Bill Guthridge retired as North Carolina's basketball coach in the summer of 2000, it set off a chain reaction that touched the lives of dozens of people in his profession. The Blue Sky Scholars Program gives scholarship support to middle-income parents and students from North Carolina. North Carolina made 10 trips to the Final Four and won two national championships during the time Smith and Guthridge spent together. Coach Smith would be more likely to draw up something in a timeout, or draw up a play maybe we hadnt worked on, where as Coach Guthridge was going to rely on what wed done in the past, says Brad Frederick, a forward on that team and now a UNC assistant coach. On one occasion, he actually accepted the head coaching post at Penn State, but stepped down from the post a few days later.[3]. 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