First time posting here so I hope I am following the rules and if not, please feel free to let me know and I will remove it. You don't just kill innocent children and decide that you made a bad decision, and stop doing it. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. The girls were supposed to be picked up at 3:15pm and were reported missing at 5:30pm. The teens were found dead "down the hill" the following day. Ruiz's family, meanwhile, spoke of how excited Ruiz was when he passed the academy. Hurley has since been released from the hospital and has been sent to the Pinal County Adult Detention Center. Winter Weather: Can Arizona home roofs withstand heavy snowfall? Picks a spot to change into his BG attire with his kill kit. "We have a murderer walking around who took two innocent lives well before their time. The plant, called Indiana Packers, is From a local: they process hogs into pork, and its a horrible job that a LOT of people who are otherwise unemployable, whether due to criminal backgrounds or poor references from prior employers, end up doing. The location where the girls bodies were found is only about 2.5-3 miles from the plant. ", The Tucson Police Department remarked, "The Tucson Police Department is heartbroken to hear of Maricopa County Sheriff's Department Deputy Juan M. Ruiz's death. This is the location of the final death march by Abby Williams, 13, and Liberty German, 14, after they recorded their murderer's chilling command to go "down the hill". I also don't feel as though Ron Logan is the man in the picture but for some reason in my gut I do feel some type of suspicion around him, and I could be totally wrong, but I also think maybe he is covering for a family member or friend. The accusations of luring a child to a private location to commit a brutal crime begged the question of whether Carroll County officials were investigating . He is wearing jeans, a navy blue jacket and possibly a cap. Shirley and David were living together until Shirley and her children went to stay with her mother in Donora, Pennsylvania. I also feel like it was a combination of organized and disorganized, which is why I think the crime was on this person's mind for longer than we probably know but the actual acting it out may have been spur of the moment. The murder investigation's chief detective, who has heard the entire tape from which the audio fragment comes, describes the killer as having the "voice of the devil" coming through him. Eerie photographs show the hill two young teens were ordered to walk down by their killer before he murdered them in rural Indiana. I have always had a passion for following true crime but for obvious reasons this case is really weighing heavy on my heart. All those little things and the dreaded school supply shopping. ", The Department of Public Safety said, "During this tragic time of grief, we send our deepest condolences to the family and loved ones of Deputy Juan M. Ruiz and to the men and women of the Maricopa County Sheriffs Office who lost a friend. Killer is somewhat familiar with the local area. My heart goes to their family. [1] Sammantha and John Allen were convicted in 2017 of first degree murder and sentenced to death by lethal injection, while Sammantha Allen's mother, Cynthia Stoltzmann, arranged a plea deal with prosecutors and was sentenced to 24 years in prison. It is my understanding that his son and other family members lead pretty normal lives. "It is with a heavy heart that I share with you the passing of Deputy Juan "Johnny" Ruiz #S2212. "With his ultimate sacrifice, Deputy Ruiz made an even more substantial sacrifice. "During a time when men and women in law enforcement face scrutiny, sometimes demonization, or expected to be perfect and underappreciated but a scumbag piece of (expletive) out of the Department of Corrections can put him on life support when he comes to work every day in uniform to keep this community safe," Penzone said on a news conference on Oct. 9. I am committed to pursuing justice for Deputy Ruiz to the fullest extent of the law against the suspect. "People said that there was a guy behind the tree in the photo of Abby in the woods. On August 10, 2011, in Maricopa County, Arizona, Judith Deal, Cynthia Stoltzmann and the Allens were formally indicted. In that same downtown, flyers with another picture hangs on them, the police sketch of the man investigators say is the killer. The body site was about 800m from the high bridge where Libby had photographed Abby the afternoon before. The hill the girls were forced down is steeper, and once on it, a person would feel "trapped with no way out". Libby German and Abby Williams were murdered in Delphi, Indiana on Feb. 13, 2017. [5] Police claimed the family abused Ame because they did not believe she was a blood relative. May be familiar with the Delphi, Indiana area as well as the Meyers Lake/Bremer County areas of Iowa. She has bone chips in a precarious place in her head," Phoenix police DetectiveGeorgeKlettlinger told the Associated Pressat the time. Is there any truth to this or can we religate it to internet Chinese whispers? I check almost daily to see if there have been any updates to this case. However, there are new developments with the owner of the property where the girls were found. John and Sammantha Allen were charged with first degree murder, conspiracy to commit child abuse and many counts of child abuse. In the early weeks of the investigation, police released a picture of the man believed to be the killer, taken on Libby's cell phone the day the girls disappeared and they audio believed to be the killer's voice saying, "Down the hill.". But after five days,former Phoenix police officer Edward Lonzo McCall, Jr., was bookedin connection with the New Year's Eve slayings,and reportsbegan to swirl about a murder-for-hire scheme. Which means there are two brazen murderers willing to abduct, control, and murder two girls at a time? McCall and Bracy have since died in prison. I believe the Delhi killer found s barrel chested and throes out his right leg when walking. Then again, he was also convinced that there was a pic of BG in that pic of Abby on the bridge. [4] The punishment was supposedly for lying or for stealing food. Maybe this guy knew those girls were going to be there, maybe he overheard them speaking or maybe he knew their mother and their mother told him that they were going to be there Anything is possible these days. The Journal & Courier has not reported on these speculations. I thought there was a search for the girls in the area they were found, but they weren't found until noon the next day. I live very close to Delphi, and I want this guy off the streets. The girls may have been sexually-assaulted, perhaps with an object. Chadwellgave officers permission to search his house, and they found the girl naked and badly beaten, according to prosecutors. I know the general crime scene is relatively secluded, but it was broad daylight and there was not one victim, but 2. Authorities have not released a cause of death. [1], The family had often moved and had lived in Pennsylvania, Utah, Texas and Tucson, Arizona, among other places. Media coverage from Lafayette toNew York and the United Kingdomis enough to justify a change of venue for accused attempted murder defendant James Brian Chadwell Jr.,according to his attorneys. If DNA was recovered from the scene, the killer does not have any felony convictions in Indiana (they collect DNA from all felons). "That isn't a guy, that's a barricade that has been removed and now is standing along the woods.". "I'd like to be able to have a little bit of happiness come Christmastime this year, knowing that nobody else is every going to have to go through what we went through and that this person isn't still out there.". (WTHR) - State police say more audio from Libby German's cell phone was played for the victims' families, including a mention of a man they noticed behind them. Shirley and David had two other children together before Ame was born. You really have to ask the following questions, imo: How did BG (bridge guy) know the girls were on the trail? I don't think he is the BG in pictures though. The snapchat photo of Abby was taken at 2:07pm and the photo of the Bridge Guy was taken at 2:30pm. However, David Deal is listed as Ame's father on her birth certificate. May have discerned the risk was worth the gain by going after two young girls. Who Is Daniel Nations? Finally sees exactly what he wants and ..you know the rest. The court approved the amended charge on May 12. History of rape, assault, and/or domestic abuse, Was a lone killer, did not have an accomplice. Unfortunately for them, modern technology might be what breaks this case open and leads us to this sick person or persons. Idk if he's an actual suspect, but the police certainly jumped on the opportunity to detain him for his probation violations and have kept him in custody. Privacy Policy. LH told news.com.au the condition of the bridge had seriously deteriorated in the past three and a half years since the murders. The Monon High Bridge trail. David Martin Deal was not charged in the death of his daughter, but was sentenced on June 6, 2013, after pleading guilty to attempted child abuse. "Please, please, come forward and let us know what you know," Carter said. I guess this case is so frustrating because someone, somewhere must recognize the picture and voice. During the fight, Deputy Ruiz tried to call for backup on his radio, but he was beaten unconscious by Hurley, Penzone said. David Martin Deal pleaded guilty to attempted child abuse and was sentenced to 14 years in prison on July 6, 2013. I posted that link to a random blog from early 2017 simply to show that the public discussion of the scarves occurred immediately after the memorial services. Atsome point, he lived in Ohio, before moving to Phoenix in the 1950s, according to details provided in 1981byhis obituary andby his friend and business partner, Ron Lukezic. He passed the girls on the bridge, then turned back and when the girls noticed him walking back in their direction, Libby started recording. Its just blowing my mind that he hasnt been identified. "They also said there is a guy coming into the bridge which you can see in the picture at the end. Published 2:05 AM PST Nov. 15, 2022 Updated 12:41 PM PST Nov. 29, 2022. Abby Williams, 13, and Liberty German, 14, recorded their murderer's chilling command to go "down the hill". McCall and Bracy have since died in prison. "We don't need them anymore," Marilyn Redmond recalled one of the men saying. (WTHR) - State police say more audio from Libby German's cell phone was played for the victims' families, including a mention of a man they noticed behind them. TERRAFULLSIGHT 1.61K subscribers Subscribe 1.6K views 1 year ago #DURecorder #DURecorder This is my video recorded with DU Recorder. Allen places himself at the scene Abby and Libby, best friends in the eighth grade, were on a hiking trail in rural Delphi when they were killed in February 2017. School officials claimed that Ame and her siblings came to school filthy. Eventually Shirley and the children joined David again and they lived in Midland, Texas, together with David's mother, Judith Deal, and his sister, Cynthia Stoltzmann. Chadwell's change of venue motion cited other news outlets from outside of Lafayette thathave quoted Chadwell's family speculating about whether he might have killed Libby and Abby. "Notably, theNewYorkPost has falsely stated within a photo caption that Chadwell had been arrested for the murder of Liberty.". The bodies were all found in areas a hunter might frequent. William Redmond, after answeringthe door,called out, "Marilyn,come here." Why do you think the man on the picture has not been caught yet? I agree with a lot of what you're saying. That said, I did find it interesting to review the rumors that were being discussed shortly after the murders. "Then I realised I had to cross the creek. The Republic in 1981 noted the Redmonds'single-storyhome on a cul-de-sacnear Seventh and Northern avenues was valued at $200,000,during a time when themedian home value in Arizona was about$54,800. Still, Marilyn Redmondwas able to tell officers at the scene that three men entered the home with a gun. Just days after the girls died, police began looking into Kline, WISH-TV reported. Both sets of girls went missing shortly after 2pm. ", Glendale Police offered its condolences, saying, "We stand beside (MCSO) as they grieve the loss of their deputy. Marilyn Redmond was taken to Good Samaritan Hospital in Phoenix, where she stayed for about 13days under police guard, according to The Republic. [4], David Deal, Ame's possible father, was reported living in the back of the family rental home in a tent with his two other children. DELPHI Three years ago, two young girls went for a walk. LH, who has visited the location multiple times, describes in detail the spot where the schoolgirls were abducted on February 13, 2017. This is why this killer is so cunning and so hard to find. median home value in Arizona was about$54,800. May also kill single women or girls. I check daily, too. AVONDALE, Ariz. - A Maricopa County Sheriff's deputy was laid to rest in October 2021, after he suffered a deadly attack while taking a suspect with felony warrants into custody. Subscribe to azcentraltoday. But the Redmonds opted to stay home that night because Marilyn'smother, Helen Phelps, was visiting, Kelly said. Nothing less is acceptable.". "It's amazing we have a video, we have a still photograph, we have sound and we don't know who this person is," he said. Ive been sifting through so many news reports, facebook groups, true crime forums and truthtellers. was planning on murdering a vulnerable person on the day he killed but had not pre-selected his victim/s. The girls bodies were found the following day, approximately half a mile from the bridge. The DTH podcast theorises that one person with considerable knowledge of the area committed the crime and had been planning it for some time. | The Theorem Factory. "One thing we know about that killer it's pretty obvious that the guy wasn't scared of heights. Abby (or Abbie) was an informal nickname. View Source Suggest Edits Memorial Photos Flowers Memorials Region North America USA Indiana Carroll County Pittsburg All were heading off to play or hang out together when they went missing Lyric & Elizabeth were riding bikes, Libby & Abby were walking on wooded trails. When the family lived in Wisconsin, the local child protective services were called because of the "disgusting conditions" of their residence. Cousins Elizabeth Collins, 8, and Lyric Cook, 10 were out riding bikes in the Meyers Lake area of Evansdale, Iowa on Friday, July 13, 2012 when they went missing. The only audio that has been released to the public from the phone is that of a man's voice ordering German and her friend, Abby Williams, "down the hill.". That tells me he planned these murders very meticulously with nothing left to chance. It helped put the layout of the land and the time it takes to traverse it into perspective. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Police say the girls mostly talk about "stuff girls talk about" in the recording, but they also mention the man. FBI Highway Serial Killings Initiative. May have changed his appearance after the crime (cut or dyed his hair, trimmed facial hair, disposed of clothing, etc). His family made a selfless act to donate his organs, so many others can live on and represent his legacy.". At separate instances, Joyce Lukezic and Cruz's lawyers blamed Ron Lukezic for the killings, but he was never charged in the case, according to The Republic. Day 2: No contact, phones off (would have charged w friends to stay on SM), no one's seen them, all friends and friends moms and dads have replied no - we haven't seen them, early reports of a suspicious person walking on trails with a report made immediately to law enforcement the day before, before girls even disappeared indicating some guy walked quickly through trails and didn't . What about your hair?' Ive seen a reference to Libby having a letter "K" carved onto her chest. Before Ame was squeezed into the trunk, she was forced to do jumping jacks and backbends and to run around in 103-degree heat for over an hour. failed . He was hospitalized in stable condition, according to Sheriff Penzone. A short time after, deputies later found Hurley and took him into custody. Both Carter, the local sheriff, other law enforcement and Delphi citizens themselves are convinced because of the location of the girls' abduction and murder, the killer was a local or former resident with intimate knowledge of the site. Carried a deer kit fanny-pack, which may have contained weapons or tools to torture or kill the girls, Has a hunting background or hunts for sport. So if you go through the aforementioned points, it makes sense to me that this is someone who had access to the area, had been planning to do something of this nature for some time and then finally got their opportunity. Knows how to cover his tracks and not leave evidence behind. I believe the police arrested RL and threw him in jail so they could search all of the buildings on his property. If you kill someone in cold blood like that, and do God knows what else, you are going to do it again. The murdered girls, who attended Delphi Community Middle School where they played saxophone and volleyball together, had visited the bridge before the day they died. "I knew that something had happened," she said in court months later. Both Carter and the sheriff believe the killer has a connection to Delphi, "whether it's an individual that previously lived in our community and knows the area where the girls were located very well, or possibly is still in our community". Despite this, they have also said that they do not suspect the families in either case. Cause of death for Libby and Abby has not been publicly released but two photos, a sketch of a possible suspect, and a brief audio clip of his voice have been released. Sad truth is law enforcement is more interested in using him as a diversion. "Yesterday was worse than today, but I kept off social media and stayed to myself and stayed quiet," said Williams. The bodies of Liberty German and Abigail Williams were found on Feb. 14, 2017, after the two teens from Delphi, Ind. "So I went off down at that end, only I went on the other side of the bridge," she said. Ive seen a reference to Libby having a letter "K" carved onto her chest. He is a 77 year old man with a drinking problem. "His loss is a tragedy for our profession and our community. They walked through the wood and across the creek until they reached the spot where they were found and likely murdered there. We have our local rumors too. They can't. Was over-dressed for the weather, likely to conceal DNA. I can't imagine what their families must be going through. "At the same time, it's an average of 10 minutes that someone new is added to the same list so it certainly isn't an uphill battle to offer hope to the 16,000 people right now, who are on the waiting list.". Deputy Ruiz was found by another deputy and he was rushed to the hospital where he was placed on life support, surrounded by loved ones. Some of these news outlets broadcast on TV stations available in Tippecanoe County. At other times she was beaten with a paddle which they called the "Butt Buster"[3] and she was forced to eat hot sauce and dog feces. May be a transient or trucker who passes from one meat-packing (or similar) plant to another throughout the US. [3] One neighbor said that he saw babies in highchairs eating in front, outside of the house, late at night. He was a three-year veteran of the department. Get out the door. Libby German recorded the killer's order after she placed her phone with its video camera rolling in her pocket as he cornered them on the bridge. 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